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Oh, for sure there needs to be a vetting process. Gonna confuse the hell out of the dog if they keep getting returned. It was just weird. We had references including several breeders, two different dog trainers, our vet and the damn deputy mayor of our town! I guess at the end of the day, they have their policies and we just didn't fit.

One other condition the place had was acceptance of unannounced dropins for inspection/evaluation of the living conditions of the dog for the duration of its life. We read elsewhere, they weren't just saying that either. They were having volunteers showing up at peoples houses years after adopting demanding to be let in or surrender the animal.
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Oh, for sure there needs to be a vetting process. Gonna confuse the hell out of the dog if they keep getting returned. It was just weird. We had references including several breeders, two different dog trainers, our vet and the damn deputy mayor of our town! I guess at the end of the day, they have their policies and we just didn't fit.

One other condition the place had was acceptance of unannounced dropins for inspection/evaluation of the living conditions of the dog for the duration of its life. We read elsewhere, they weren't just saying that either. They were having volunteers showing up at peoples houses years after adopting demanding to be let in or surrender the animal.
This all reminds me of when we got our first Corgi. The breeder was an odd duck (they all seem to be actually) and I swear she spent more time asking us questions than the gal from the state did when we adopted our son - really! Of course the breeder all tend to know each other in a certain area so once we had one, getting our second and third was easier. Seems to be a notion that once you have made it as a Corgi owner you are considered "acceptable" by all the rest. The gal we got Stevie from was actually very good and pretty normal about it - probably our easiest and most enjoyable dog adopting experience out of the three.

I wouldn't adopt from an organization that had the requirements you are describing. That's just plain nuts. I can see caring about the potential owners and all but since the goal is to find homes for their animals, seems they have an odd way of trying to accomplish that goal.
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Speaking of Corgis, here's my helper on a recent job. And some random mutts I've watched when family and friends went out of town this winter.
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Speaking of Corgis, here's my helper on a recent job. And some random mutts I've watched when family and friends went out of town this winter.
Lol - they do like to be on their backs a lot.

Also, had to do a double take to determine that was paint on the Corgi's nose. Doesn't surprise me a bit - they typically have to be inspecting everything.
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Although not a big fan of having to paint some rooms in my own home this week, I have to admit that the support staff is pretty nice.
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Rescued our doxie pin 2.5 years ago. She was 7 lbs when we got her, and they told us she was 2 years old. More like 2 months! She is now around 30 lbs. great with our kids, never barks, and constantly trying to snuggle in blankets lol
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This all reminds me of when we got our first Corgi. The breeder was an odd duck (they all seem to be actually) and I swear she spent more time asking us questions than the gal from the state did when we adopted our son - really! Of course the breeder all tend to know each other in a certain area so once we had one, getting our second and third was easier. Seems to be a notion that once you have made it as a Corgi owner you are considered "acceptable" by all the rest. The gal we got Stevie from was actually very good and pretty normal about it - probably our easiest and most enjoyable dog adopting experience out of the three.

I wouldn't adopt from an organization that had the requirements you are describing. That's just plain nuts. I can see caring about the potential owners and all but since the goal is to find homes for their animals, seems they have an odd way of trying to accomplish that goal.
We had that experience when we got our little mutt. Unbelievable the vetting we went through. The boss of the operation even came down here to Maryland from Philadelphia to make sure the yard was secure( the fence was proper and the little beast could not escape)
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We had that experience when we got our little mutt. Unbelievable the vetting we went through. The boss of the operation even came down here to Maryland from Philadelphia to make sure the yard was secure( the fence was proper and the little beast could not escape)
The dog or the boss?
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Look who grew! Zelda (and one of about 30 stuffed animals she has) now weighs in at 64lbs....Shasta (her bearded buddy) still weighs 44. I miss them being small....
And Zelda snuck a stick in apparently...:/ could be worse I suppose.
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It's actually pretty easy if you know the trick. It'll piss them off for a while but I took a piece of chicken out of a police trained German shepherds mouth once. Grab them under their mouth from behind and squeeze between their upper and lower jaws. They don't have the strength or leverage to keep their mouth from opening if you do it this way. It takes some balls though, that's for sure. But it has worked every time I've had to do it even with my old husky and my nieces pitbull. If you need to to keep them from injuring themselves it is a good thing to know.

I don't think i want to try it on an adult male lion though.
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It's actually pretty easy if you know the trick. It'll piss them off for a while but I took a piece of chicken out of a police trained German shepherds mouth once. Grab them under their mouth from behind and squeeze between their upper and lower jaws. They don't have the strength or leverage to keep their mouth from opening if you do it this way. It takes some balls though, that's for sure. But it has worked every time I've had to do it even with my old husky and my nieces pitbull. If you need to to keep them from injuring themselves it is a good thing to know.

I don't think i want to try it on an adult male lion though.
Sounds like a good way to lose them.
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Not a pic, just thought this might generate some interesting conversation.

As of the first of this month, the city of Toronto has now banned the use of choke chains and prong collars from being used on any dog at any time with the exception of police K9 unit officers.

Personally, I believe that if used properly these are very effective tools in the training of a dog. I also believe that prior to implementing this ban, the city did literally no consultation with the dog training community or any associated stake holders. I have to imagine, this is an extension of the expansion of the 'positive reinforcement only' dog training strategy that primarily uses treats and praise rather than correction and direction.

Thankfully, at this point this only effects Toronto and not the rest of the province of Ontario.
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Not a pic, just thought this might generate some interesting conversation.

As of the first of this month, the city of Toronto has now banned the use of choke chains and prong collars from being used on any dog at any time with the exception of police K9 unit officers.

Personally, I believe that if used properly these are very effective tools in the training of a dog. I also believe that prior to implementing this ban, the city did literally no consultation with the dog training community or any associated stake holders. I have to imagine, this is an extension of the expansion of the 'positive reinforcement only' dog training strategy that primarily uses treats and praise rather than correction and direction.

Thankfully, at this point this only effects Toronto and not the rest of the province of Ontario.
Idiots. Has anyone asked them why the police are allowed to use them and no one else? If you have a husky with a full winter coat they won't even feel those prongs, as a matter of fact that is what they are for, dogs with heavy coats. A choke collars have been used for many,many years by dog trainers and the like with no i'll effects. If there is a problem, they need to start with the owners that use them incorrectly and not responsible dog owners. Another instance where the animal lovers don't actually have a clue.

This makes me want to go get the biggest prong type collar I can find and use it on the Pug just to piss them the hell off.
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Another instance where the animal lovers don't actually have a clue.
I'd strongly argue that it isn't the animal lovers who don't have a clue. It's the politicians. I know many and I mean many dog owners who absolutely love their dogs and use prong collars very effectively. Some of whom would have had to give up their dogs if they hadn't had the chance to use this tool during a training phase and beyond if necessary.

But I know what you were getting at.
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Not a pic, just thought this might generate some interesting conversation.

As of the first of this month, the city of Toronto has now banned the use of choke chains and prong collars from being used on any dog at any time with the exception of police K9 unit officers.

Personally, I believe that if used properly these are very effective tools in the training of a dog. I also believe that prior to implementing this ban, the city did literally no consultation with the dog training community or any associated stake holders. I have to imagine, this is an extension of the expansion of the 'positive reinforcement only' dog training strategy that primarily uses treats and praise rather than correction and direction.

Thankfully, at this point this only effects Toronto and not the rest of the province of Ontario.
I take some small satisfaction in hearing that being PC is resulting in some stupid decisions being made up there and not just here.
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