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Old 07-11-2016, 04:19 PM   #1
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We are doing this T&M.

How long would it take you and 1 guy to sand, prime, sand, apply 2 coats of paint. One color one side, different color second side. I'm about 15 minutes per side, on and off for a short 6 hour day.

My production rate is down, to many interruptions. Right now we are priming one side and one end so we can move them around without getting wet oil primer all over ourselves.

Total of 82. Oil base primer, 2 coats SW Duration. Size approx: 4'x3' each

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Can a mod please fix my thread title? Please spell "screen" the right way since I lost my speak and spell.
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That would be miserable. T&M the only way. Can you remove the screen and re screen them?
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That would be miserable. T&M the only way. Can you remove the screen and re screen them?
That's my suggestion as well, if not then who would screen them before finish? With the screens out I would run a j hook in the tops and hang so I could spray.
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That's my suggestion as well, if not then who would screen them before finish? With the screens out I would run a j hook in the tops and hang so I could spray.
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Why not run paper and tape and go for it? 2 sides, 2 different colors.. pita.
I'd try bagging the screens bag n spray primer then hang to dry..somehow, ya gotta get a production line going.15 mins for each side/coat =1.5 hr...each. you'll be there for DAYS!! 10 mins bag, 5 to hook and hang, couple mins to shoot primer, you could shoot one side with finish and brush or roll out the other side quicker... should take about 1/2 the time (or less) roughly...

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We are doing this T&M.

How long would it take you and 1 guy to sand, prime, sand, apply 2 coats of paint. One color one side, different color second side. I'm about 15 minutes per side, on and off for a short 6 hour day.
Dave, are you saying you're at 15 minutes per side for everything? If so, I think that's moving pretty well. If I were to factor in everything, I'd probably be more than 15 min/side, (if you're also including sanding, dusting, tack, flipping them over 6 times total, switching between paints, etc.).
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We are doing this T&M.

How long would it take you and 1 guy to sand, prime, sand, apply 2 coats of paint. One color one side, different color second side. I'm about 15 minutes per side, on and off for a short 6 hour day.
Dave, are you saying you're at 15 minutes per side for everything? If so, I think that's moving pretty well. If I were to factor in everything, I'd probably be more than 15 min/side, (if you're also including sanding, dusting, tack, flipping them over 6 times total, switching between paints, etc.).
Just to sand and prime 15 mins. Distracted by phone calls and keeping the crew going. If I could stay on it distraction free I could knock at least 5 mins per side off.

Today we do the harder side (smaller profile to cut in).

Right now no tape on the screens, screens do not come out of the frames.
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Sounds like you might have a good thing going.

I'd probably mask and spray. But we're spray horses so anytime we get a chance to spray and knock time off, I'm all for it.

Not a fan of oil because of dry times and it remains tacky for awhile. If we did waterbased, probably have everything done in a day or so. 10 to 20 of those things, easy.
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Sounds like you might have a good thing going.

I'd probably mask and spray. But we're spray horses so anytime we get a chance to spray and knock time off, I'm all for it.

Not a fan of oil because of dry times and it remains tacky for awhile. If we did waterbased, probably have everything done in a day or so. 10 to 20 of those things, easy.
We would love to spray them but it's not an option.

Yesterday 2 of us did 22, one side.
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Yipee for t&m I guess....man that's a tedious one....only 60 to go, then you can start again ....:/ I might be looking for a kid (or 2)to hire fresh outta school, and cheap. May as well make as much $as ya can on em!
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Given that three levels of coating are required, I would sequence the job this way;

1. Remove contaminants from surface and scuff prior to masking. (blow down)

2. Mask all eighty screens using best methods, i.e., tape of choice, paper, or plastic.

3. Secure an area where at least ten to twenty items can be hung (preferably), or leaned and sprayed out completely with all three levels of coating while incorporating a fast dry waterborne primer and an acrylic finish that will allow handling in between flipping sides..

This may take some time, but at least you will be producing an incremental lot of completed items for the carpenters to install.
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Spraying isn't an option. Specs for priming are oil. Latex has been mentioned but the ho wants oil primer.

I just cracked open a box with more screens. 6'x4' these are huge.
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Sounds like you might have a good thing going.

I'd probably mask and spray. But we're spray horses so anytime we get a chance to spray and knock time off, I'm all for it.

Not a fan of oil because of dry times and it remains tacky for awhile. If we did waterbased, probably have everything done in a day or so. 10 to 20 of those things, easy.
We have done more t&m at this job than any others we have done.
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Spraying isn't an option. Specs for priming are oil. Latex has been mentioned but the ho wants oil primer.

I just cracked open a box with more screens. 6'x4' these are huge.
Well, sometimes you just have to hunker down with a brush, cup of coffee (or in this case, a cooler of Monsters), ear buds, and a T&M log sheet to record the massive amount of time it will take to keep a straight line next to those screens. Especially, when the caffeine causes uncontrollable tremors.

I'm stressed out just typing this. Good luck!
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This is one of those jobs you wish you could see the end but you really can't. Lol
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Spraying isn't an option. Specs for priming are oil. Latex has been mentioned but the ho wants oil primer.

I just cracked open a box with more screens. 6'x4' these are huge.
Well, sometimes you just have to hunker down with a brush, cup of coffee (or in this case, a cooler of Monsters), ear buds, and a T&M log sheet to record the massive amount of time it will take to keep a straight line next to those screens. Especially, when the caffeine causes uncontrollable tremors.

I'm stressed out just typing this. Good luck!
No coffee for me. I have a half cup (down from 2 pots in two hours) in the morning and that's it. My hands aren't steady after half a cup.

We prime 2-3 then take a couple minutes to get our heads unrattled then back to it.

Tomorrow we get to start first coat of finish paint.

All 82 mulit sashed windows are now completed. We had the room to pull them and set up a work bench inside, not much shade around the project.
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We started finish on these today. All done priming for now. I'm blown away, these screens have been on a nc site for over 4 months and only 2 screens got ripped. I added to those 2 by ripping one and the wind knocking one over. So 4 out of 82 screens will need to be hit when they arrive.

2 guys sanding and rotating them in and out, 2 of us painting finish we blasted out 35 on one side one color, that side is now done (unsure of actual color for the side facing in). The edges are being painted after we do the face and move them.

We could have finished more but had a walk through to do on a huge home.
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