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Pete's Painting · 03-14-2008, 12:36 PM

Was here yesterday The trim is simply brown paint, but the overhang is polyurethane. Strip the overhang completely?

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CApainter · 03-14-2008, 03:17 PM

If they want to go back with the natuaral wood look, I suppose you'd have to strip it, considering there may be discoloration of the wood.

I'd suggest painting the eaves, but I'm not the customer. Good luck.

Rich · 03-14-2008, 06:31 PM

If the overhang is getting painted, you can sand, prime, paint. And depending...you might not even need to sand. I would use a primer/sealer as well. If it's staying clear, a simple sanding with a random orbital or something similar should be fine, then recoat. I don't see the need to strip completely.

Pete's Painting · 03-14-2008, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich

If the overhang is getting painted, you can sand, prime, paint. And depending...you might not even need to sand. I would use a primer/sealer as well. If it's staying clear, a simple sanding with a random orbital or something similar should be fine, then recoat. I don't see the need to strip completely.

That's what I wanted to hear Rich, thanks.
They do want it to stay clear, but I'm not sure a simple sanding will do.
I'd like the color to be uniform when i'm done without stripping it.

I need to get this bid in, and stripping vs. a simple sanding is a big difference.

vermontpainter · 03-14-2008, 08:24 PM

Pete

Keep in mind, there is a reason for the discoloration you are seeing. It is likely waterstaining coming from inside the soffet. I'd bet a wooden nickle that those soffet boards are not sealed on the backside. Soffets by nature hold alot of humidity and moisture, it settles on the backside and works through, creating stains. Its possible that this will be a perpetual condition over time.

Pete's Painting · 03-14-2008, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by vermontpainter

Pete

Keep in mind, there is a reason for the discoloration you are seeing. It is likely waterstaining coming from inside the soffet. I'd bet a wooden nickle that those soffet boards are not sealed on the backside. Soffets by nature hold alot of humidity and moisture, it settles on the backside and works through, creating stains. Its possible that this will be a perpetual condition over time.

So if the water stain has seeped all the way through the wood, then sanding/stripping it all the way down then refinishing may not change it's appearance?
Or even if it does, it will be short lived.

vermontpainter · 03-14-2008, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete's Painting

So if the water stain has seeped all the way through the wood, then sanding/stripping it all the way down then refinishing may not change it's appearance?
Or even if it does, it will be short lived.

That soffet is v-groove and its up there at an angle. So the moisture inside settles and either works its way through the t&g joints, or follows gravity to the first course where it pools and works its way through from the backside. Its likely an oil based clear finish, so whatever is hanging around behind that coating cant breathe its way out. I cant tell from the pics if there is mildew spotting happening. If there is evidence of mildew behind the clear coating, that would reinforce my theory.

You can certainly improve the appearance for the short term, but in the end my guess is that the condition returns. The reason I raised the point is so that if you go to the considerable effort of sanding all that soffet and refinishing it, and then within a year or two the condition returns, then it was kind of a waste of time and money.

I have no idea how old the house is, but if its only a few years old and you can track down the builder and find out if they sealed the backsides of the soffet boards, that would help you to make a more informed call.

Pete's Painting · 03-14-2008, 09:21 PM

Great advice Scott, Thanks!
Wanted a better angle than what I had before I got back to them.
I like this house and think it will look fantastic with a new color, maybe a couple bushes too. Great neighborhood to hang a sign, thanks again

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timhag · 03-14-2008, 09:58 PM

Pete, once you finish, put them on a maintenance schedule annually. This will save them from going through the complete process again plus, it will keep you busy.

YubaPaintPro · 03-15-2008, 01:56 AM

Pete, one thing to keep in mind also w/ Scott's comments about the mold is that an oil product will be a buffet for mold. Bad things man. Moisture is certainly a continual problem for sure N & E sides.

Maintenance is a $$ maker for you and I just talked w/ a customer of mine today about the exact idea. It makes good sense and long term saves your customer $.

I would also caulk behind the gutter w/ a urethane fortified paintable caulk. That will help w/ the moisture seeping behind and getting under the overhangs.