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Old 09-12-2010, 11:11 PM   #1
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We recently got a qt of this product for a china cabinet we were doing. According to the can it has a 16 hour dry time. I can tell you this product leaves a very nice finish. If it ever dries,does'nt need to be sanded and oh yeah you never plan on touching the doors and putting things back together. Our rep said sometimes it just takes awhile. Thta sounded like a really well researched answer before he came out to see us. Has anyone else used this product? And if so how was it for you?

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Have not tryed it yet, and I'm very intrested in your outcome. Please keep us posted.....

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Its basically the same dry time and re-coat time as Satin Impervo. Its a soap and water clean up alkyd. Dry time is going to be slow, just like oil. It wont yellow as much, and has very little odor. My guess is that when the time comes, this will be the replacement for Satin Impervo.
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Its basically the same dry time and re-coat time as Satin Impervo. Its a soap and water clean up alkyd. Dry time is going to be slow, just like oil. It wont yellow as much, and has very little odor. My guess is that when the time comes, this will be the replacement for Satin Impervo.

I sure hope that time is far off in the future. I would hate to see the Satin Impervo disappear.

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I sure hope that time is far off in the future. I would hate to see the Satin Impervo disappear.

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Ditto. With the stricter VOC regulations, I would imagine that its only a matter of time.
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Its basically the same dry time and re-coat time as Satin Impervo. Its a soap and water clean up alkyd. Dry time is going to be slow, just like oil. It wont yellow as much, and has very little odor. My guess is that when the time comes, this will be the replacement for Satin Impervo.
Are you talking about Satin Impervo Oil Base ?
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How can a waterborne have that long of a dry time? Is it just that it takes a really long time to get enough hardness to sand or it will roll off the substrate?
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How can a waterborne have that long of a dry time? Is it just that it takes a really long time to get enough hardness to sand or it will roll off the substrate?
It is waterborne, but has a significant amount of alkyd particles suspended in it. That is where the drying time comes into play.
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It is waterborne, but has a significant amount of alkyd particles suspended in it. That is where the drying time comes into play.
Water reduced alkyd.
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Are you talking about Satin Impervo Oil Base ?
Eventually I would say yes. All signs point to the elimination of the alkyds.
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Water reduced alkyd.
I was close enough.
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Ditto. With the stricter VOC regulations, I would imagine that its only a matter of time.
When was the last jump in killing our oil NC? (voc regs.)
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When was the last jump in killing our oil NC? (voc regs.)

Yep, at least from what I've heard.
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Our rep was in today, showing some samples of this stuff, freaking looked great. I'm excited to try this stuff. It will be the first full gloss enamel that we get to use that uses the gennix colorants.

Rep said its interior right now, but they are testing it for exterior.

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Yep, at least from what I've heard.
Im not being specific,was the last change in the amount of voc this year? When is the next regulation change,any idea? I hate finding out that stuff is discontinued when im at the paint counter!
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How can a waterborne have that long of a dry time? Is it just that it takes a really long time to get enough hardness to sand or it will roll off the substrate?

The resin they use in that is a hybrid alkyd. It is a waterborne alkyd that is copolymerized with acrylic. Some can be copolymerized with urethanes for different properties.

You will probably notice that the "to touch" time is probably better than a traditional oil-based, but the curve of curing (or dry hard) is probably pretty similar after a day or two.

Stop thinking of waterborne alkyds as "just another water-based paint". Think of it more as a water clean up oil based paint.
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Water reduced alkyd.
No, that is different. Water reducibles have been around for a long time and are notoriously unstable. This is a new technology that brings in acrylics, urethanes, etc... attached to the backbone of the alkyd.
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You know, I am probably the only one here that would like it, but I would love to see some detailed chemical reaction drawings show the structure of the molecules, how the acrylics and alkyds are bonded and how the film forms when they are cured.

Ionic, covalent, double bonds, triple bonds, etc. I want to see chemically how it is similar or different from a traditional resin. Is is simply bonding -OH groups to an hydrocarbon chain that makes it water soluble? If so, how does this affect the final film from a chain that lacks these groups. Stuff like that.

I know, I am a geek. Oh well. At least that lets me fit in here.
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You know, I am probably the only one here that would like it, but I would love to see some detailed chemical reaction drawings show the structure of the molecules, how the acrylics and alkyds are bonded and how the film forms when they are cured.

Ionic, covalent, double bonds, triple bonds, etc. I want to see chemically how it is similar or different from a traditional resin. Is is simply bonding -OH groups to an hydrocarbon chain that makes it water soluble? If so, how does this affect the final film from a chain that lacks these groups. Stuff like that.

I know, I am a geek. Oh well. At least that lets me fit in here.
You know that's all top secret info. They could tell you how it all works, but then they'd have to kill you.
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I was in the paint store this morning and saw the new brochures on this product and was a little shocked when I opened it up and saw this. I really think they should do a little more research before the put in a picture into their brochures.

So many things wrong with this picture from crooked lines, guy just stopping in the middle of the wall and jumping on the base. not sure if he was brushing the wall or not. lol
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