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Old 11-30-2011, 02:13 AM   #1
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I am looking for some honest feedback on this product! I have used a lot of Regal Select and a little bit of Aura but never this product. Having been in the paint business a long time matte is not the sheen I would expect from a coating designed for moisture areas. A designer specified this product, and I am concerned from the conversation I had with my dealer that it feels like a very rough surface when done and perhaps may not offer any better end performance . I want to to know if you guys have had any first hand feedback on this coating after having been in service for a reasonable period of time! Is it really better than say Aura in eggshell! Input??

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Hey Dave, Good to see ya posting. I almost used this product in the Master Bath I just finished but decided to go with Regal Select Pearl. I'm looking forward to the responses to this one as I haven't used it yet.

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Have used it a couple times, and haven't heard any complaints. They've been done for a couple years or so. I wouldn't use the eggshell regular aura if it gets a lot of moisture, as in tub / shower etc.
I still think something like Regal Pearl would be a great choice. I guess if you really want a matte finish the aura spa is the way to go, but who really wants a Matte finish in the bath?
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I have painted entire houses with Bath and Spa - serious moisture issues. It touches up very well, washed very well - Water beads off the wall - I have it in my own bathroom and office.

I have painted University rental suites and know that there was 5 hot showers the same night I painted - I have been back to several bathrooms we painted with B & S an it is holding up great - even in bathroom where we treated for major mildew -

My favorite wall paint from their entire line.

I also keep B&S in cloud white stock for bathroom ceilings.
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Hydrophobic resin like Guardz that pushes moisture away. Best
Product BM has. Used in all our bathrooms and no issue with streaking even with 4 girls in the house. Did the commercial 24 hour buffet washroom at Foxwoods Casino after all epoxy coatings had failed. Gave us 8 hours to get block walls coated and then all 4 commercial dishwashers would start again. So far it's sticking to the old polyamide epoxy and no mildew. Used 55 gallons.
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I've done several high frequency shower ceilings with the stuff and it's been great. Two of the jobs were specific calls to fix a situation - paint peeling from the ceiling applied by previous contractors. I used B&S on both and they're still looking sharp after about 16 months of heavy use. I'm not sure what the other products were, but they peeled/mildewed after a few months from the heavy moisture and lack of bonding to the substrate. B&S has fixed both of those issues.

The stuff gets a thumbs up from me!
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I agree with most comments above.
We used it a lot and I have to say it is the best product for bathrooms.
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Thanks guys for all the great comments! I am shocked that a water based bath paint would stick to a poly epoxy and hold up. Sounds like I need to break my stereotype and consider a matte for a bath, and or bath ceilings. So often I see streaks on jobs that have been done within a year or two that just dont lend themselves to the referral base I like. Based upon the comments the down time for return to service is also very favorable.

It sounds like there is a little differet resin in this product that repels moisture so I think I am going to give it a try on this job!

And Jason good seeing you on here as well. I have been reading a lot more posts just for this very reason. After 15 years at Sherwin and a couple licensed now my eyes are wide open! Go Benjamin Moore!
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Hydrophobic resin like Guardz that pushes moisture away. Best
Product BM has. Used in all our bathrooms and no issue with streaking even with 4 girls in the house. Did the commercial 24 hour buffet washroom at Foxwoods Casino after all epoxy coatings had failed. Gave us 8 hours to get block walls coated and then all 4 commercial dishwashers would start again. So far it's sticking to the old polyamide epoxy and no mildew. Used 55 gallons.
How did you come to learn this (Hydrophobic resin). I asked about the difference between B&S and Aura matte at my local dealer and they said that it was basically the label and maybe a little mildewcide.

I'm not questioning the truth of your statement. I'd just like to know how I can find out this sort of thing in the future BEFORE asking at my dealer.
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How did you come to learn this (Hydrophobic resin). I asked about the difference between B&S and Aura matte at my local dealer and they said that it was basically the label and maybe a little mildewcide.

I'm not questioning the truth of your statement. I'd just like to know how I can find out this sort of thing in the future BEFORE asking at my dealer.

The TDS would be a good place to start.
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Sorry, just checked the TDS, it says "acrylic and proprietary resins"; NACE has a habit of knowing his stuff. Ask the right person the right question and you get the right answer.
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During the development of the Gennex tint system and the Aura Technology, it was thought that since the waterborne colorants contained no glycols like UTC's, that surfactant leach would be eliminated. That is why Aura initially said any color, any finish, anywhere, including a Matte finish in a humid environment for people who prefered a lower sheen in Kitchens and Bathroom's. It turns out that there is some surfactant's, or soaps in the paint and colorant, and some surfactant leaching was occuring in all finishes. Therefore, the lab integrated a hydrophobic resin into the Gennex platform to create a finish that had the durability, hide, spread rate, and finish of a matte, without any streaking or surfactant leach associated with Glycol based tints and coatings. Hopefully, this is still the case with the 532 Bath & Spa. I find it to be a bit grainy, but has the smoothness, hide, spread, and durability of Aura. It washes especially well for things like toothpaste, hairspray, spray starch, makeup etc, and generally does not leach. What I have found is that hard water can leave streaks like a surfactant as the minerals in water are left on the surface in the grainy texture of B&S after condensation has evaporated. It does have a very good and expensive mildewcide in it, as do all the Gennex premium products. I find it is best applied with a microfiber roller, and it cleans best with a microfiber rag and a mild "Green" type cleaner that does not contain a harsher detergent or higher alkalinity. Hopefully that clarifies my earlier post. It is still holding up well in the Dishwasing Room at Foxwoods.
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NACE your comments are detailed and much appreciated. Do you feel that the relative grainy texture I am hearing about detracts in appearance or is heavy enough to catch stuff which might detract from its overall goal? This bath I am doing is used by numerous kids daily and they are fed up with the results of the last two coatings used which were satin general purpose water based paints. The room doesn't have a lot of ventilation ! We thought about a water based epoxy but the owner wasn't interested in having that type of coating in the house !
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B&S levels extremely well especially with a micro fiber cover. If there is stipple left from the previous applications it will ghost through. Skim coat and paint with micro fiber and B&S will remain as smooth as the existing surface. WB epoxy is silly. It can amber and can leach or blush just like single component coatings. Just a note. It's not up to the paint, the painter or the coating manufacturer to make up for poor ventilation. Don't let the poor design of the house, mediocre construction or inadequate ventilation be the excuse for blaming the paint or the painter. Tell them to fix the ventilation however Aura B&S is the best we can do if the ventilation is not going to be addressed.
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During the development of the Gennex tint system and the Aura Technology, it was thought that since the waterborne colorants contained no glycols like UTC's, that surfactant leach would be eliminated. That is why Aura initially said any color, any finish, anywhere, including a Matte finish in a humid environment for people who prefered a lower sheen in Kitchens and Bathroom's. It turns out that there is some surfactant's, or soaps in the paint and colorant, and some surfactant leaching was occuring in all finishes. Therefore, the lab integrated a hydrophobic resin into the Gennex platform to create a finish that had the durability, hide, spread rate, and finish of a matte, without any streaking or surfactant leach associated with Glycol based tints and coatings. Hopefully, this is still the case with the 532 Bath & Spa. I find it to be a bit grainy, but has the smoothness, hide, spread, and durability of Aura. It washes especially well for things like toothpaste, hairspray, spray starch, makeup etc, and generally does not leach. What I have found is that hard water can leave streaks like a surfactant as the minerals in water are left on the surface in the grainy texture of B&S after condensation has evaporated. It does have a very good and expensive mildewcide in it, as do all the Gennex premium products. I find it is best applied with a microfiber roller, and it cleans best with a microfiber rag and a mild "Green" type cleaner that does not contain a harsher detergent or higher alkalinity. Hopefully that clarifies my earlier post. It is still holding up well in the Dishwasing Room at Foxwoods.
wow, that is beyond anything anyone has ever told me on said product. either you read a lot of TDS or MSDS, or you know a lot of people. Question for you is on the new BM aborcoat S/T waterbased stuff any feedback on that one? it has not taken off for us here in MN, i am old school and do not trust any waterbased S/T, but i am open to hear what others are thinking.
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If you mean the WB with the clear coat I'm not a big fan. Some guys like it and I have used quite a bit of both transparent and semi transparent. However the new 626 transparent for hardwood is outstanding. The transparent and semi transparent are 60% alkyd but are soap and water clean up.
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I always befuddle the paint reps (well, at least sometimes) because I want all the information like NACE provides. I think they think I am a bit odd.
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I always befuddle the paint reps (well, at least sometimes) because I want all the information like NACE provides. I think they think I am a bit odd.
Ask me anything. i've been in this for 40 years and worked for BM for 25 years, I know all the reps from all the major companies including industrial coatings. They are my friends and we respect each others industry and opportunity to make a living. I'll tell you straight from personal experience. I love this business. I respect all that you do. I've been there from both sides, hard. I know where the paint company is coming from and the end user. There are no secrets. I'm here to help in the best way I can. I have no loyalties, just want your business's to to well and thrive, regardless of brand loyalty. It's only paint.
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Ask me anything. i've been in this for 40 years and worked for BM for 25 years, I know all the reps from all the major companies including industrial coatings. They are my friends and we respect each others industry and opportunity to make a living. I'll tell you straight from personal experience. I love this business. I respect all that you do. I've been there from both sides, hard. I know where the paint company is coming from and the end user. There are no secrets. I'm here to help in the best way I can. I have no loyalties, just want your business's to to well and thrive, regardless of brand loyalty. It's only paint.
Nace and Wolfgang are the top two people's numbers I would love to have on speed dial.

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