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Old 01-08-2016, 11:53 AM   #1
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At first I thought it was just me, but after purchasing a "premium brand" paint brush at a local competitor last night and comparing it to a 25 year old new old stock identical brush that I have..... well lets just say the difference in the "cut" or evenness of the filaments (hairs) is laughable. And I looked at 7-8 of these particular brushes to get the best one they had!

There are individual filaments sticking out almost 1/8", and a cluster of filaments about 1/4" long along the line of the tip that stick out about 1/16". How are you supposed to get a professional paint finish with a brush like that? And it isn't just one brand, but several. Two of which are the two biggest manufacturers in the world. And I'm not talking about the lower grade pro brushes like what they carry at HD and Lowe's, etc. But the actual grades that would be sold in specialty paint stores such as SW and the like.

Last month I almost had to refuse a box of brushes I special ordered for a customer but he took them anyway. I was actually embarrassed (I know, hard to believe!) to sell them!

Anyway, I know this may be common knowledge to most of you, but always check each individual brush before you buy it to make sure the quality of manufacture is what you expect it to be. They will only get away with poor quality control until people stop buying their product. As for me, I'm not selling any of these two particular brands on my sales floor anymore, only by special order and with the caveat that I didn't manufacture them and I am not responsible for their quality.
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Even in the past few years I've noticed the difference. I have a Wooster from about 3 years ago that has MORE and A LOT BETTER bristles in it than any brush I've purchased in the last year. I guess less bristles in each brush means huge cost savings in the long run........
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Even in the past few years I've noticed the difference. I have a Wooster from about 3 years ago that has MORE and A LOT BETTER bristles in it than any brush I've purchased in the last year. I guess less bristles in each brush means huge cost savings in the long run........
It does, but I think the biggest cost savings they are getting is due to fewer quality control checks and inspections. The labor savings is probably much larger if you can eliminate 4-5 people then a few cents saved on materials on a brush that retails for close to $20 and costs probably $2-3 to make.
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Any body a fan of Nour. I love their brushes and roller sleeves. (Especially Heritage and tradition Medium Firm) They seem well crafted and wear well. Mine still cut a nice line after months of use.
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That's the beauty of our capitalist system. Somebody will take up the mantle of making brushes "like they used to". They will be handcrafted by artisans using "Olde World" methods. They will, of course, cost an arm and 2 legs, but as professionals, we all have to decide what sets us apart from the competition.


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Any body a fan of Nour. I love their brushes and roller sleeves. (Especially Heritage and tradition Medium Firm) They seem well crafted and wear well. Mine still cut a nice line after months of use.
They are rare in the states. I looked into trying to carry them at one point but they were kind of pricey, which I don't mind but with no following here it seemed to be not so good of an idea to carry them.
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They are rare in the states. I looked into trying to carry them at one point but they were kind of pricey, which I don't mind but with no following here it seemed to be not so good of an idea to carry them.
That's to bad, they make (consistently) good brushes. I choose them over all others! Yes, a bit on the pricey side but then one gets what one pays for. They do sell some "lower end" but I have never tried them.
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At first I thought it was just me, but after purchasing a "premium brand" paint brush at a local competitor last night and comparing it to a 25 year old new old stock identical brush that I have..... well lets just say the difference in the "cut" or evenness of the filaments (hairs) is laughable. And I looked at 7-8 of these particular brushes to get the best one they had!

There are individual filaments sticking out almost 1/8", and a cluster of filaments about 1/4" long along the line of the tip that stick out about 1/16". How are you supposed to get a professional paint finish with a brush like that? And it isn't just one brand, but several. Two of which are the two biggest manufacturers in the world. And I'm not talking about the lower grade pro brushes like what they carry at HD and Lowe's, etc. But the actual grades that would be sold in specialty paint stores such as SW and the like.

Last month I almost had to refuse a box of brushes I special ordered for a customer but he took them anyway. I was actually embarrassed (I know, hard to believe!) to sell them!

Anyway, I know this may be common knowledge to most of you, but always check each individual brush before you buy it to make sure the quality of manufacture is what you expect it to be. They will only get away with poor quality control until people stop buying their product. As for me, I'm not selling any of these two particular brands on my sales floor anymore, only by special order and with the caveat that I didn't manufacture them and I am not responsible for their quality.
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That's to bad, they make (consistently) good brushes. I choose them over all others! Yes, a bit on the pricey side but then one gets what one pays for. They do sell some "lower end" but I have never tried them.
How much are you getting these brushes for? Also @PACman what do you carry at your store?
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IMO, Corona are the most available, consistently made quality brushes
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How much are you getting these brushes for? Also @PACman what do you carry at your store?
I have some Woosters, but I am going to sell out and not re-order them. A few Purdys but I'm letting them sell out also unless someone specifically wants to order them. (HINTS!)

I'm primarily going with Elder & Jenks because I believe they are the best overall value for my customers, and next spring I am going to start carrying Corona if everything works out. I also carry some Arroworthy and Linzer brushes, which are pretty surprising actually. Good solid brushes at a reasonable price. Some of the Professional grade Linzers are quite impressive for their price. (these aren't the "professional" grade brushes most people are familiar with through Walmart and HD. They are "true" professional grade brushes that very few retailers carry.)

I have access to Bestt liebco, but other then the top line they aren't anything exceptional.
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I am seriously thinking about carrying these
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Any body a fan of Nour. I love their brusLinkhes and roller sleeves. (Especially Heritage and tradition Medium Firm) They seem well crafted and wear well. Mine still cut a nice line after months of use.
Link to where you buy them?
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IMO, Corona are the most available, consistently made quality brushes
Agreed. They're not even much more expensive than Purdys which have really fallen off a cliff recently in terms of quality. I grew up using Purdys but I spend too much time with a brush in my hand to screw around with inconsistent products. Dunn Edwards, who carries coronas, just opened up a new store in my hometown so now I just need to talk them in to stocking my favorite models.

Edit: I usually buy coronas at Bayside paint now for anybody in the San Diego area
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Back in the day I carried a box full of Purdys not it's all Corona. my two favorites are the Excalibur and the Cortez.

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Imnsho, as a professional painter it's my job to make it look good regardless of circumstances, products or tools.
Things are constantly changing. My job is to change with it. Total pita sometimes.
What I'm getting at is though some (very few) of my brushes are "special", most are standard use em up toss em out. And i'll pull a few hairs out or cut a few off if i dont like em while they're getting a good beatin during their lifetime.

A pro can cut straight lines with dang near anything you put in his (or her ) hand. If not, it's the painter, not the brush.
My point is, I wouldn't go nuts on brushes that we aren't used to. The diy's probably won't care either cuz they don't know any better and even if the brush is perfect. They usually aren't skilled enough to pull tight lines anyway. Just food for thought.
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Woops not sure what I did there. Sorry for the double post.

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If not, it's the painter, not the brush.
There seems to be a lot of assumption in this statement. Including that we're all painting walls...

I get special brushes because I use special paint products. Cost a whopping $1 more than the equivalent Purdy.
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Agreed. They're not even much more expensive than Purdys which have really fallen off a cliff recently in terms of quality. I grew up using Purdys but I spend too much time with a brush in my hand to screw around with inconsistent products. Dunn Edwards, who carries coronas, just opened up a new store in my hometown so now I just need to talk them in to stocking my favorite models.

Edit: I usually buy coronas at Bayside paint now for anybody in the San Diego area
What models are those?
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I still prefer using the Purdy Pro-extra Glide as my main brush for cutting in on the interior surfaces I do - simply because it is still the stiffest brush I have found and holds it's edge for a decent amount of time.

I wouldn't have any problem making a change if someone knows of another brand/style that is just as stiff if not more so. Thought I had a possible contender a few months back until the bristles all started falling out en-masse a week or so into using it.

Don't mind having to special order if needed since I do that anyway for the Purdy's. Price is NOTan issue.
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