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Old 12-30-2016, 07:09 AM   #21
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I carry a Sherwin Williams color matcher and their color deck. I bought it for $50 from the store.That seems to help a lot. Their is also an app you can get on your phone. I don't have one but a friend of mine uses it. He said it works good.
App based color matching never works. I knew the colors on one job tried the app and it was so far off. Digital to real life colors vary way to much.

What is this color matcher you talk about? I will check it out.
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I guess I'm really curious how everyone deals with color samples or custom matches in their contracts. It's rare, but some clients are indecisive or they want to see a ton of samples before they make a choice. At roughly $10/color tester this adds up if it wasn't accounted for it in my estimate.

Here's what I'm thinking about doing. Including 2 color samples for each known color in their estimate and then specifying that additional color sample will cost an additional $20.00/color.

Whenever possible I drop off samples and give the store a couple days to work on the match, but there are some circumstances where the client has delayed choosing colors and I really can't wait a couple days so I push to get it done on the spot.


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Sample pints cost us $6.99 each, some we have to get quart samples which cost $20 a quart. We type up the estimate like this.

Color matching x amount of hours and samples free. Any additional samples and labor will be billed at $45 a sample. (we do 4 sample spots per color). A smaller home we only offer a couple of free samples, large homes 4 samples, extra large homes 8 samples (but we cover the cost in our estimate for the entire job.)

Or we type it up as it's own estimate or a change order. Depends on the situation.
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Roamer and Stelzer, thanks for the input.

Whenever possible I'll put color samples on white foam core for clients. Once a client has narrowed their choice to 2 colors I'll put a sample on their wall for them.

Also, I don't encourage clients to paint samples on walls since they'll often get paint on the trim or leave horrible brush marks on their wall that can't be removed if the wall has an orange peel texture. I had a client do this last month and now I have to come back to touch up some of the trim they got paint on, but I'll also have to get a custom color match first Unfortunately, there's nothing I can do about the brush marks they left on the wall.


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This is why I hate those damn color sample quarts. Never was a good idea as far as anyone who actually knew anything about painting was concerned. In fact i remember a customer that had me match to a SW sample quart because his customer painted part of a wall with it. He did the right thing and painted the whole wall and it wasn't a problem. Until a month later when the sample area started peeling like crazy! I don't think he ever figured out what the problem was. Took him forever to fix it though. He ended up having to strip that sample paint off the wall.
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app based "color matching" software doesn't actually "match" the paint. It just pulls the closest match from an existing database. A regular spectrometer costs several thousand dollars. Mine was $8,999. One that was is small enough to carry to a jobsite would be over $20,000. All they do is compare the color that is read to a database and give that formula. The ones that "store" the color until it is linked to a color computer just download that formula to the computer. They can work well for most color "matches", it just depends on how many formulas are stored on the database.
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In my experience, matches to actual paint, on the wall, in a fan deck, or in a can, are relatively straightforward. I'd estimate that around half of our clients go that route. Most of the rest have some sample: a piece of upholstery fabric, a favorite piece of art, a rock (!), etc. We have yet to encounter the fabled piece of thread from "Mr. Blanding builds his dream house", but we'be been close. It's those unusual matches that keep the price up.

I'm also a firm believer in larger samples, we typically get a least a quart and cover a substantial area: floor to ceiling for a wall color, for instance. We've just experienced too many clients unable to visualize the impact of color en masse.
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I matched some dried paint in a woman's hair once. It worked.
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I matched some dried paint on a woman's hair once. It worked.
I would think a hair would be an awfully small sample to match to. You must be very good.
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I would think a hair would be an awfully small sample to match to. You must be very good.
it was a pretty good size drip actually. Typical DIY'er. More in her hair then on the wall.

The hard part was getting her panties off!

(dude you soooo walked into that one!)
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Speaking of samples. We looked at a home today that had around 30 samples, colors all over the place.

Tinted ceilings, accent walls and blood splatter from a dog that got cut.

We offered 4 free samples. Any more it would be $45 each. I already see this turning into more samples. 1 large open room 4 colors, 2 bedrooms 3 colors. Plus priming blood splatter.

Blood splatter we will use BIN, oil based stain blocker (not sure what one yet) more BIn and more oil primer. My experience (Not much) with covering this much blood splatter it's going to take a couple rounds of primer. The dog is just fine, after it gut cut the HO said it wanted to play so it ran around splashing blood on all the lower walls.
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Speaking of samples. We looked at a home today that had around 30 samples, colors all over the place.

Tinted ceilings, accent walls and blood splatter from a dog that got cut.

We offered 4 free samples. Any more it would be $45 each. I already see this turning into more samples. 1 large open room 4 colors, 2 bedrooms 3 colors. Plus priming blood splatter.

Blood splatter we will use BIN, oil based stain blocker (not sure what one yet) more BIn and more oil primer. My experience (Not much) with covering this much blood splatter it's going to take a couple rounds of primer. The dog is just fine, after it gut cut the HO said it wanted to play so it ran around splashing blood on all the lower walls.
try cleaning the blood spatters with a pretty diluted muriatic acid and water mix before you prime them. Don't ask how i know this. They're everywhere.
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The Benjamin Moore I go to usually has all the other paint manufacturers colours on file so that's not a problem at all.

If they want a colour match to the same colour currently on the walls or trim I usually pop a baseboard off inside a closet or I will take my knife and cut the drywall Paper in a 4"x4" square inside the closet above the door frame where the header is, then peel the drywall paper off with the colour intact. I will then bring that to the ben Moore and have it exactly matched prior to the job starting. Having it matched prior to the job starting is key! If you don't do that and your standing around in the store, well you have poor time management.

Once I have the colour and back on the job on the start date I will prime the drywall where I cut the paper off and patch + paint. Works like a charm


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App based color matching never works. I knew the colors on one job tried the app and it was so far off. Digital to real life colors vary way to much.

What is this color matcher you talk about? I will check it out.
The app he has is COLORSNAP VISUALIZER.
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Speaking of samples. We looked at a home today that had around 30 samples, colors all over the place.

Tinted ceilings, accent walls and blood splatter from a dog that got cut.

We offered 4 free samples. Any more it would be $45 each. I already see this turning into more samples. 1 large open room 4 colors, 2 bedrooms 3 colors. Plus priming blood splatter.

Blood splatter we will use BIN, oil based stain blocker (not sure what one yet) more BIn and more oil primer. My experience (Not much) with covering this much blood splatter it's going to take a couple rounds of primer. The dog is just fine, after it gut cut the HO said it wanted to play so it ran around splashing blood on all the lower walls.
Wiping it down with hydrogen peroxide should help. Hydrogen Peroxide takes blood out of a lot of things. You might want to be careful over dark carpet.
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4" by 4" is too big and no one want to wipe blood, best just cover it
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4" by 4" is too big and no one want to wipe blood, best just cover it

Why, yes, that would be the professional way to do it
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4" by 4" is too big and no one want to wipe blood, best just cover it
Go ahead and just cover the blood however? Dried blood will be reactivated by the paint. So as much of the dried blood I can remove the better. Try it sometime, cut yourself and wipe some blood on the wall, let it dry and then paint it.
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Why, yes, that would be the professional way to do it
Oh no, that means I need to find someone. What is that big word your using? Professional? What's that a new kind of worker? lol.
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Wiping it down with hydrogen peroxide should help. Hydrogen Peroxide takes blood out of a lot of things. You might want to be careful over dark carpet.
Hydrogen peroxide works but it doesn't completely destroy the DNA seque.......oops! Never mind.
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Why, yes, that would be the professional way to do it
I guess it depends on your motivation to clean up the DN....er blood.
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I guess it depends on your motivation to clean up the DN....er blood.
We're getting perilously close to Tom Mabe territory.

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