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Old 01-01-2017, 07:18 PM   #41
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The guys that I started out with when I first started painting mixed most their paints right on the job site. They carried their colors in what reminded me of the old time katchup and mustard squeeze bottles , in a wire carrying cage.Talk about old school. 2 of them have now past away and the one that is still with us turned 94 last year. I always liked watching them mix it. They didn't measure anything and just did it by eye. To me it was amazing to watch and how fast they can get the color they were matching.
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saves lots of time and money if you keep colorant in the van, i find it a fun skill to try and match colors on site but its very messy and can be frustrating. mix small amounts to get an idea of how much you need of each then make it in a bigger batch
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The guy I worked with back in the 70's used to tint every room a different color, even if the client wanted them the same color. Say they wanted everything SW antique white. He would buy pastel base and tint up a batch of SW antique white himself. Then as he went to paint each individual room he would very slightly off shade whatever paint he used in that room. His reason? Because when they tried to touch up using the paint they got tinted at the store, it wouldn't be close! Or if they hired someone and they tried the store tinted ant. white it would be the same thing. Then they would have to call him back to do the touch-up or the repaint. I don't really know if this worked for him or not.

And I can still order those tinting kits if anyone wants to try and learn a new skill.
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I was very lucky to be taught how to tint by eye from a very talented ex boss many years ago. But honestly you also have to have the knack within yousellf to be able to do this. I tried teaching guys over the years with no avail. It's a special talent one must have for seeing color which I consider myself blessed to have, because it's saved me so much time and headache over all these years when the color was off and I could adjust it myself right there on the job. I am still able to get Cal Tint universal colorant very easily
and I am working on my stockpile of Gennex colorants. btw. HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL!
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The guy I worked with back in the 70's used to tint every room a different color, even if the client wanted them the same color. Say they wanted everything SW antique white. He would buy pastel base and tint up a batch of SW antique white himself. Then as he went to paint each individual room he would very slightly off shade whatever paint he used in that room. His reason? Because when they tried to touch up using the paint they got tinted at the store, it wouldn't be close! Or if they hired someone and they tried the store tinted ant. white it would be the same thing. Then they would have to call him back to do the touch-up or the repaint. I don't really know if this worked for him or not.

And I can still order those tinting kits if anyone wants to try and learn a new skill.
I would love to learn it. I tried more than once and ended up with wasted paint I had to kitty litter and color on ever thing I touch. It would have been a great funny video clip. If I did new houses all the time I would get serious about learning it.Its just to easy picking up the 2 or 3 gallons I need from the paint store.
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I knew a guy that used to carry a basket of tint to field tint paint or make small adjustments. I want nothing to do with it. To much dinking around to make it right every time. Computer dispensed tints are so much more accurate. I don't even like carousel dispensed tints anymore, too much room for error.
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I knew a guy that used to carry a basket of tint to field tint paint or make small adjustments. I want nothing to do with it. To much dinking around to make it right every time. Computer dispensed tints are so much more accurate. I don't even like carousel dispensed tints anymore, too much room for error.
The manual tint dispensers are a nightmare when used with the new 0-voc colorants. They need to be cleaned before almost every use and the colorant dries very hard in the orifice. I have found that using a welding tip cleaner works pretty well but you have to be very careful not to damage the dispenser.
The 0-voc colorants also have a tendency to thicken quite a bit in the canister and become very hard to dispense.
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The guy I worked with back in the 70's used to tint every room a different color, even if the client wanted them the same color. Say they wanted everything SW antique white. He would buy pastel base and tint up a batch of SW antique white himself. Then as he went to paint each individual room he would very slightly off shade whatever paint he used in that room. His reason? Because when they tried to touch up using the paint they got tinted at the store, it wouldn't be close! Or if they hired someone and they tried the store tinted ant. white it would be the same thing. Then they would have to call him back to do the touch-up or the repaint. I don't really know if this worked for him or not.

And I can still order those tinting kits if anyone wants to try and learn a new skill.
Reminds me of an unethical boss I spent a short time working for. When he matched paint, he would intentionally make the formula on the label incorrect, so if another store tried to duplicate the paint using the printed formula the color would be wrong, and the customer would have to return to him to get it right. The label was coded so he would recognize the colors he'd messed with. Karma eventually caught up and he closed up shop.
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Reminds me of an unethical boss I spent a short time working for. When he matched paint, he would intentionally make the formula on the label incorrect, so if another store tried to duplicate the paint using the printed formula the color would be wrong, and the customer would have to return to him to get it right. The label was coded so he would recognize the colors he'd messed with. Karma eventually caught up and he closed up shop.
I've heard of people adding a drop of umber or black to off shade a formula like that before. I've never done it and never will. Sounds like that was just the tip of the iceberg with that guy!
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I'm curious how everyone deals with custom color matches or matching other mfg's colors? Custom color matches can be time consuming and sometimes require an additional trip to the store if they can't match it right away. This eats up a lot of time and if its not accounted for in your estimate you're losing money while you're waiting at the paint store (this isn't intended to be a knock on paint stores either).

How does everyone deal with this? I'm thinking about specifying in my estimates that clients must choose colors from the fan deck of the paint mfg that is spec'd for the project or additional costs will apply to help cut down on this issue.

These are legitimate questions and worth all our efforts to help get them answered. There are A lot of great responses!

So what your really asking is how to deal with the time and energy spent accomplishing the matching issues?

Lets take this in another direction.

From my experience it comes down to this question: How much do I want this client or that client to rave about my services?

Is a few hours of color matching really worth the chance of that client giving good reviews or highly recommending your business to their neighbors, family or friends? It typically takes around one hour in most cases. I just havnt had to many tough matches and most of them are just matching other mfg colors... heck, our local Rodda will go out and get the other mfg color swatch and match it for us if they don't allready have it matched in their system. It tends to be just a simple call that took less than 15 min.

I personally do think it is worth the minimal risk. A service company always gives out because the return is always greater than the giving. When people see kindness, it stick out like a sore thumb and they LOVE it! Generosity is a wonderful tool if used with wisdom. Anyways, it's not so much about how we can make more money off of a client (albeit we like to do this if it's absolutely necessary in this case and there is wording in contracts that help in this area as mentioned by another poster) or what we can do to feel less used by the customer, but it's more about sustaining business through acts of generosity which can be the integrity of our ship (business), that which keeps us afloat. If we are always nickle and dimming the customer then their experience with us won't lead them to rave about our services. WE NEED THE RAVING REVIEWS! That's the end goal and we can sacrifice a little to be successful.

By all means do what is necessary to stay afloat, and if that means subjecting clients to only fandeck colors or charging more for unexpected surprises, then do that. But keep in mind how they will see your services in the end. Some clients don't care, while others do, but we can't judge how either one will see it in the end. It's best to just stay on the good side of our services and be generous.
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^^^ This post wins the thread. A great reminder about stepping back to see the big picture.
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