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Old 05-12-2012, 03:32 PM   #1
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Default Flat/Matte, a difference?

Recently, a paint store employee, who has been around a long time, told me that flat and matte are the same. I responded that I was under the impression (because I'm polite-ish, and I've used Aura matte and a few other products that claim the following) that certain manufacturers designate "matte" as a more durable, slightly higher sheen paint than flat. He looked at me like I had 2 heads.
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Old 05-12-2012, 03:36 PM   #2
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I think you're right about this.

Sometimes I think people in the paint store have huffed too much paint in their day.

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Matte has crushed porcelain in it. It dries with a more durable, more scrubbable surface. It is also considerably more expensive. Hope this helps.
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Definitely not the same. They are close but matte has a slightly higher sheen and is more durable.
I'm surprised the guy said that.
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Recently, a paint store employee, who has been around a long time, told me that flat and matte are the same. I responded that I was under the impression (because I'm polite-ish, and I've used Aura matte and a few other products that claim the following) that certain manufacturers designate "matte" as a more durable, slightly higher sheen paint than flat. He looked at me like I had 2 heads.
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Thought that Matte meant flat/not glossy in french...
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I have seen some paint store employees that know little about paints. the best was one that said "Interior paint is fine on exterior concrete"
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I just used Aura matte in a critical light situation - And i can emphatically say it is closer to a lower sheen eggshell than a flat.
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I just used Aura matte in a critical light situation - And i can emphatically say it is closer to a lower sheen eggshell than a flat.
Been there-Done that Rob! Sometimes as much as I hate to do it-flat is just the best choice. In fact Monday, I have a large wall in a hallway(24' extension ladder)that gets crazy light from an angle and it is a deep historical color-don't hate me, but I'm going with the flat. I hate that point in the day where I have to explain myself for that angular sheen that can make even a decent wall look bad in the right light. Sometimes the aesthetics are just what is most important.

So like everyone else said, matte and flat not the same thing
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Been there-Done that Rob! Sometimes as much as I hate to do it-flat is just the best choice. In fact Monday, I have a large wall in a hallway(24' extension ladder)that gets crazy light from an angle and it is a deep historical color-don't hate me, but I'm going with the flat. I hate that point in the day where I have to explain myself for that angular sheen that can make even a decent wall look bad in the right light. Sometimes the aesthetics are just what is most important.

So like everyone else said, matte and flat not the same thing
I always give my client the "do you really wash the wall speech" and sometimes they understand flat is the best for the situation...
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Downside to flat though is that you cannot even touch the wall, at least matte has forgiveness for that.

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Flat and Matte are not the same.
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I think you're right about this.

Sometimes I think people in the paint store have huffed too much paint in their day.
Huffed and Puffed!
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some manufactures semigloss are equall to others manufactures eggshells and on on its good to know your products.
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It would be good if the guy at the paint store knew something about products as well, but what are you gonna do? Someone else explained to me originally matte was flat and vice versa, but with the advent of "washable flats" and it having to have a higher sheen, (some) manufacturers changed matte to indicate a sheen in between egg and flat. As for sheen differences between brands, thats crazy talk!
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Just stop asking for advice from HD and you will be fine.
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Doesn't anyone read datasheets? I always compare sheens at 60 and 85 degrees, this will spell it out. I am not fond of the MPI system of 1-5, as there is too much spread from one matte to another as with flat, egg etc...
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Story of my life...that and Huff, Puff Coco Puff.
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Downside to flat though is that you cannot even touch the wall, at least matte has forgiveness for that.

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high end flats are still better than cheap builders paint though.
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That is true, I have some Natura flat in my house that seems decent.
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Check the TDS between products to get the true numbers - sheens for these two are (flat) 1 - 3.5 and (matte) 2 - 5.5. Matte would be just a hair more for these BM products.

I think you'd have a hard time distinguishing unless you ran them side by side.

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