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Old 10-11-2016, 01:31 AM   #1
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I just started the prep work on a reno project where Advance was spec'd for 5 slab doors. I've used Advance in the past, but I've never been happy with my results on large flat surfaces such as slab doors.


I've tried a number of techniques to apply Advance on slab doors.

- Rolling with 9" 1/4 Arroworthy microfiber looked good, but left more stipple than I cared for
- Rolling and back brushing can work, but it's easy to screw up because the amount of open time is so short.
- Paint pad results are similar if not better than brushing, but it takes practice to get the millage right.
- Adding water helps, but it also increases the possibility of sags or runs.

Any ideas would be appreciated. Unfortunately, spraying isn't and option.





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I also though about buying the Door Deckers from Speed Painting, but I work solo so I'm not sure how I would flip the doors?

https://www.speedpaintingtools.com/p...or-decker.html


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First use a high quality primer regardless of them bring factory primed. Spray them vertically if you are working alone. Let dry after priming, sand and spray one coat Advance. Let dry overnight, light sand, 2nd coat, will turn out great.
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I would use extender instead of water it has more open time. If you can lay it flat and roll it rather than vertical it will help a lot. Set up saw horses or something and roll them but it takes a lot of space to do that and time because with one person you can only do 1 side at a time since you cant flip it while wet. The door stackers do work well but its a two man thing to flip them.
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I agree with Zoomer about the High Quality Primer. I've had good luck with the fresh start 046. I would oil prime first if they are bare wood.

If the doors are primed and sealed properly, the Advance should stay open longer and sit on top and level.

I always brush and roll from habit but I bet you can get it to look great with just the roll.

1st coat Oil primer. 2nd coat Fresh Start. 3rd coat Advance = sweet.

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I've been using SW Premium Wall and Wood primer. A couple years ago I tried a couple versions of the fresh start primers, but I found that they loaded sandpaper very quickly.

My goal of this thread is to figure out the best techniques and products to apply Advance. It's not the easiest product to work with, but when done correctly the finish is exceptional.

Here's a recent project where I used a paint pad to apply Advance on this panel wall. The finish looked good, but I think there's a little room for improvement.




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So you mentioned tried many different techniques and tools so far. If you're looking for another, maybe using a 6" quality foam roller. I've used that only one time on prefinishing base boards with black advance. They passed for sprayed equivalent.
For doors your would get the whole thing wet and even, then do a lay off across the whole surface, pulling one direction.

2 light coats.

There's also the fuzzy foam rollers now too, which I would entertain trying.
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Never had luck with a roller and Advance. On the other hand it needs to go on quick so even though I never used it an extender might serve well if edges are an issue. I use silver tip and press hard.
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I also though about buying the Door Deckers from Speed Painting, but I work solo so I'm not sure how I would flip the doors?

https://www.speedpaintingtools.com/p...or-decker.html


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I use something similar to door stackers but way better. I find they work better . I'll see if I can find a pic

They work awesome
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@dirtyjeep01 Do you know the name of the product? Or could you share a link to their website? Those look pretty cool.


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http://www.doorfinishing.com. I ordered from this website .
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I use something similar to door stackers but way better. I find they work better . I'll see if I can find a pic

They work awesome
Do you spray spray them on sawhorse area then transfer to the stack? Or spray standing up then transfer? I'm just curious. Do you mask over the stackers there or overspray them? Really thinking about if that system can work for me if needed.
I think they'd have to be pretty light doors if one person has to pick up or transfer them by themselves.
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I'll try to find a video.. I made a video. Each holder has two nubs per side. I set one door and place on saw horses spray lac primer which is very watery. Levels out soooooo nice on the flat . Flip the door with a partner to do the other side then stack one by one when done like the picture. One thing to remeber don't leave doors stacked more than I would say 24 to 48 hours in a horizontal position. Depends on humidity in the house of course . Too long on flat stored , you run the risk of warping . Just a precaution.
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What kind of door slab? Smooth or textured?

I've had good results with the velour or mohair rollers from whiz. They are the red/maroon color. I think there velour.

Foam has seems to leave a sponge texture each time I've used it on trim/doors.
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If you can't spray mohair is ok. Even use a conditioner to slow dry time. Gives you more time to work with and helps level out better. Technique and how much paint you are putting on as well makes a huge difference for smoothness and color finish
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So you mentioned tried many different techniques and tools so far. If you're looking for another, maybe using a 6" quality foam roller. I've used that only one time on prefinishing base boards with black advance. They passed for sprayed equivalent.
For doors your would get the whole thing wet and even, then do a lay off across the whole surface, pulling one direction.

2 light coats.

There's also the fuzzy foam rollers now too, which I would entertain trying.
"quality foam roller". Isn't that an oxymoron?
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"quality foam roller". Isn't that an oxymoron?
I know you're joking, foam rollers are not fun to use but yes there are softer ones and denser ones. Ones that leave less bubbles and there is the coved end, and the domed end ones. I would use the white domed end 6" for flat stuff. Haven't used them yet but the fuzz covered foam rollers, I would say, are better quality.
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