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Old 10-18-2012, 08:48 PM   #121
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Old 10-20-2012, 07:35 AM   #123
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My latest job that we completed I made many mistakes that cost me $$. Don't make these mistakes.

First, I never had the client sign off on a detailed work proposal. So during the project we had 8 extra items added. They were railings under the bar on the pool deck, steps on pool deck, window trim etc.

This does not sound like much, but we are a 2 man crew with the third guy coming in Nov. the project started on Wed. when it was supposed to start on Mon. So I was out cleaning roofs by myself that I had booked a month ago during the end when she was adding items.

I used 35 gallons of superpaint/loxon in total, washed everything in 3 hrs.

As far as price, I used the square feet as a general guide for pricing to see if I was in the park and how much paint to use. Which I'm always high but have been cleaning for this client for 5+ years. We had three gallons of paint left over.

1.05 per s/ft is what it ended up at and every painter in my area says if you get more than .80 you are doing well. I would lose $$ at those rates and barely made an acceptable profit for the energy I put into it I believe.

My goal is to become faster and more efficient, keep my rates where they are and market to my client list until I have an overflow from my other streams.

I think 2500-2900 square house in two days at my current price is a realistic goal to achieve by Dec. if I can schedule better and be there with them.
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I think 2500-2900 square house in two days at my current price is a realistic goal to achieve by Dec. if I can schedule better and be there with them.



2900 sq foot house in just 2 days? i assume that you have help. for 2 coats,(walls only) I would bid 40-50 man hours.

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If it takes 50 hours @ $50/hr that equals $2500 for labor. a couple pails of paint is about$300-$400. now you are at $2900 for 2900 sq ft including paint and labor

a buck a sq foot is a very rough guide. you then factor in the level of difficulty,amount of prep work and your overhead.

some pc's charge $30-$40 per hr for labor. some guys use Aura and some guys use super spec. lots of variables in that equation.

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I think 2500-2900 square house in two days at my current price is a realistic goal to achieve by Dec. if I can schedule better and be there with them.



2900 sq foot house in just 2 days? i assume that you have help. for 2 coats,(walls only) I would bid 40-50 man hours.

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If it takes 50 hours @ $50/hr that equals $2500 for labor. a couple pails of paint is about$300-$400. now you are at $2900 for 2900 sq ft including paint and labor

a buck a sq foot is a very rough guide. you then factor in the level of difficulty,amount of prep work and your overhead.

some pc's charge $30-$40 per hr for labor. some guys use Aura and some guys use super spec. lots of variables in that equation.
Variables shmeriables.

The people that care about variables will still be working in three years from now.
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Variables shmeriables.

The people that care about variables will still be working in three years from now.
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I am saying in my own subtle way that people pricing repaints by the sqft of floor space without considering the variables may not be in business long.
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I am saying in my own subtle way that people pricing repaints by the sqft of floor space without considering the variables may not be in business long.

agree

I actually know a PC who bids a buck a square for all his interiors. i'm not sure how well he's doing financially or if he ever sways from that bidding mindset. that's what he tells me anyways.

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I actually know a PC who bids a buck a square for all his interiors. i'm not sure how well he's doing financially or if he ever sways from that bidding mindset. that's what he tells me anyways.
Is that for residential repaints??? Or NC?

I think it's been close to ten years since we figured a sq ft price on anything and that was on NC. We had a client who wanted to know. Turned out to be $8/ft^^2. I can't imagine doing that for a buck a square, let alone res repaint.

EDIT: The price that we quoted included the trim. I finally caught on that guys in other part of the country do a separate bid for trim. When they started pressing for sq ft prices around here, they wanted an all-inclusive price.

Is that $1/ft^^2 of heated floor space or $1/ft^^2 of painted surface? Just doing some "back of the envelope" calculations for three-coat work: at $30/gal and 300 ft^^2/gal, that's $0.10/ft^^2 for each coat. Three coats=$0.30/ft^^2 of painted area. Using a generous factor of 3.5 to convert floor area to wall+ceiling area(4.5 seems to be more like it), that gives a material cost of $1.05/ft^^2. I guess he must make it up in volume

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Is that for residential repaints??? Or NC?

I think it's been close to ten years since we figured a sq ft price on anything and that was on NC. We had a client who wanted to know. Turned out to be $8/ft^^2. I can't imagine doing that for a buck a square, let alone res repaint.

Is that $1/ft^^2 of heated floor space or $1/ft^^2 of painted surface? Just doing some "back of the envelope" calculations for three-coat work: at $30/gal and 300 ft^^2/gal, that's $0.10/ft^^2 for each coat. Three coats=$0.30/ft^^2 of painted area. Using a generous factor of 3.5 to convert floor area to wall+ceiling area(4.5 seems to be more like it), that gives a material cost of $1.05/ft^^2. I guess he must make it up in volume
that's just for res repaints,2 coats walls.

it's the floor space. i personally like to take my laser and measure out wall space. it's much more accurate of course.

i know another PC who does strictly NC and he also uses floor sq footage for his bids (trim pack by linear foot) and he's a very successful guy. can't say for certain if it is BS.
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Is that for residential repaints??? Or NC?

I think it's been close to ten years since we figured a sq ft price on anything and that was on NC. We had a client who wanted to know. Turned out to be $8/ft^^2. I can't imagine doing that for a buck a square, let alone res repaint.

Is that $1/ft^^2 of heated floor space or $1/ft^^2 of painted surface? Just doing some "back of the envelope" calculations for three-coat work: at $30/gal and 300 ft^^2/gal, that's $0.10/ft^^2 for each coat. Three coats=$0.30/ft^^2 of painted area. Using a generous factor of 3.5 to convert floor area to wall+ceiling area(4.5 seems to be more like it), that gives a material cost of $1.05/ft^^2. I guess he must make it up in volume
We were getting a $1sqft of floor space in the late 80's for nc. I know guys that are still getting that, poor bastards.
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We were getting a $1sqft of floor space in the late 80's for nc. I know guys that are still getting that, poor bastards.
Given what material prices have done since then, I can't imagine doing that these days.
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Given what material prices have done since then, I can't imagine doing that these days.
i think many of the guys are getting $1.80 a square for one prime and 2 finish around here in canada.
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Thanks for the suggestions guys...why I'm here

Ya Dan, I'm trying to make more $$$...How ya been?

Many of the painters around here are doing houses like this in one day 4 guys for like 1700-1900 and are slammed. Doing good work, using super paint licensed/bonded/insured...

They just do them crazy fast, and the work is spot on. I have been in biz long enough for myself to understand you can't blanket prices like the per square method. It just seems that is the first question out of a customers mouth and also a fellow contractor whenever I shoot the breeze etc.. "how much you getting for 2000"...
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Example of a 12' X 12' X 8'H room to be painted [includes one 4' window sill, 1 closet entry, 1 side of door and casing, and 3" base board. One coat on all surfaces. Closet not included]

-Set up and minimal prep=1 hr
-1 coat/1 color ceiling and walls. Brush and roll= 1.5 hrs
-1 coat trim=1 hr
-Clean up=.5 hr

Labor =4 hrs @ $50.00 per hr.
Materials=$60.00
Total=$260.00

Foot print @ 144 sf= $1.80 per sf
Actual area to be painted @ 528 sf= .50 per sf

This could be a base line and adjusted upward for additional coats, trim packages, access, prep, etc.


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i think many of the guys are getting $1.80 a square for one prime and 2 finish around here in canada.
Man, this is really close to what I estimated the going "living" square footage would be excluding the second and third coat coat. I would probably be considered a highballer in Canada.

Xmark, are you talking about living area or actual painted surface? In other words, if you're talking about actual painted area in a 12' X 12' X 8'H room, it would cost a customer $950.00.


Please disregard my post. My square footage was based on only four hours labor. Sorry.

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Thanks for the suggestions guys...why I'm here

Ya Dan, I'm trying to make more $$$...How ya been?

Many of the painters around here are doing houses like this in one day 4 guys for like 1700-1900 and are slammed. Doing good work, using super paint licensed/bonded/insured...

They just do them crazy fast, and the work is spot on. I have been in biz long enough for myself to understand you can't blanket prices like the per square method. It just seems that is the first question out of a customers mouth and also a fellow contractor whenever I shoot the breeze etc.. "how much you getting for 2000"...
i can see that happening in new construction. you bang out 50 houses and you basically know how much you make per 2000 sq foot homes or whatever the size. most of the time it's all the same color with a few feature walls thrown in.

a custom built house is where wall sq footage might be more accurate. you can have some funky sized rooms with a ton of cutting in and also rounded stairwells that aren't easy to paint.

Re-paints is a different ballgame.residential repaints have more variables because of prep work and the number of colors some of these home owners choose. painting in an occupied house also adds to the degree of difficulty.

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