I f'ing hate oil/alkyd paint! - Page 3 - Paint Talk

stlpainter · 07-19-2010, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by johnpaint

Why don't you try ace hardware?

I didn't buy the paint, I was forced into using it. I know its cheap.

I also think that it wasn't absolutely necessary to use oil based paint. The customer didn't request it and was mainly looking for a color change.

I don't think the hassle and extra work was figured in the bid either. Now I feel rushed. This sh*t takes forever to dry, and there's a lot of trim as well.

Since I'm the one in charge of the production, it would have been much easier and more efficient for me to use a high quality water based enamel than some low quality oil.

And the results would have been similar. Maybe not as good as a high quality oil, but similar.

Plus its alot safer from a health standpoint for me NOT to be using alkyd paint anyway.

Rcon · 07-19-2010, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by stlpainter

I didn't buy the paint, I was forced into using it. I know its cheap.

I also think that it wasn't absolutely necessary to use oil based paint. The customer didn't request it and was mainly looking for a color change.

I don't think the hassle and extra work was figured in the bid either. Now I feel rushed. This sh*t takes forever to dry, and there's a lot of trim as well.

Since I'm the one in charge of the production, it would have been much easier and more efficient for me to use a high quality water based enamel than some low quality oil.

And the results would have been similar. Maybe not as good as a high quality oil, but similar.

Plus its alot safer from a health standpoint for me NOT to be using alkyd paint anyway.

That's just how it is with some 'bosses'.

They don't think of the most efficient, cost effective and quality producing ways to do things. Instead, they somehow think that by buying paint that is $5 cheaper than the better, more efficient product, they are saving money.

Some people just don't learn. Fine by me.

RPS · 07-20-2010, 12:25 AM

Promar 200 oil eggshel is a little difficult to work with. The semi gloss isnt so bad. Proclassic oil is real nice. I would lay them off with a foamy. 16 hours for 20 doors? Wow. If you dont like working with oil then maybe go in your own business. That way you can use what you want. If you are a proffessional, have a job and somone is payin you. Be happy. Quit whining.

VanDamme · 07-20-2010, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by stlpainter

I just spent all day painting about 20 cabinet doors with ProMar 200 Alkyd after priming them on Friday, and its not even covering so I have to do it again tomorrow!!!!

So I thought I would b*tch on here about why I hate using the stuff.

- It's sticky as can be, even after thinning it down.

- Its very hard to work with and every brush mark must be perfect or the whole door/cabinet/etc. will look like terrible.

- Makes me extremely light headed/nauseated. (Always have to wear my respirator.)

- Cannot go back and touch up an area after like 2 minutes cuz it leaves drag marks.

- A pain in the ass to clean up.

- Harmful for the environment.

- My hands stick to the brush handle.

- Hard as heck to clean off my hands.

- ETC. ETC. ETC.

Anyone else feel the same?

Really wish my boss was smarter. This was his choice alone and not the museum manager's idea.

If it were up to me, I'd be spraying these things and taking about 5 times less time.

Okay I'm done moaning about it.

I *think* you said in one message that you weren't using Penetrol or thinner? If that's the case, then I can see why it was a b!tch to use. For the record.....I recommend Penetrol over thinner

Roamer · 07-20-2010, 07:32 AM

Trouble with the oil paints these days is that they are high solid paints. They tend to drag and sag if you're not careful. Penetrol or any other extender is almost a must.

All that said, I'd rather paint kitchen cabinets with a high solid alkyd than any water based paint. Latex paint can soften with the summer heat even a year after the job is done. Plus, latex paint may dry quickly but it cures very slowly whereas alkyd paint dries slowly but cures relatively quickly this allows for the cabinets to be used sooner with an alkyd finish than with a latex.

johnpaint · 07-20-2010, 09:05 AM

Oil is king with some applications, and this is one.

NCPaint1 · 07-20-2010, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TJ Paint

I'm going to share with you all a trade secret LC frowns upon giving away but here goes: a great way to clean oil/alkyd off your hands, arms, face, hair, feet, etc, is to use a basic corn oil for cooking with. It works great and no stinky, icky thinner smells. Plus, if you got a date and are in a hurry to get cleaned up and no time for a shower, you can always wip up a batch of cologne oil, just pour some of your favorite cologne in the oil bottle and youre good to go, and treat your girl to a romantic dinner at taco bell or white castle, or whathave you.

Baby oil works too for cleaning oil off your skin, plus it moisturizes

NCPaint1 · 07-20-2010, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by TheRogueBristle

The only disadvantages of oil are, as I see it, cleanup and smell/toxicity. Any other performance aspect of paint you can think of, oil trumps latex. There's a reason oil has been the standard paint for centuries and is still preferred by fine artists, commercial and automotive painters, etc.

Not to get off topic, but more and more automotive finishes are becoming acrylic. Much much better products, and Sikkens/Akzo Nobel is taking the industry.

NCPaint1 · 07-20-2010, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by johnpaint

Why don't you try ace hardware?

Blasphemy

Boden Painting · 07-20-2010, 10:46 AM

I've been using the SW ProClassic Acrylic/Alkyd hybrid with great success on built-ins and trim lately. You have to let it dry thoroughly though.

Woodland · 07-20-2010, 10:57 AM

I use the pivot pro for cabinet doors. Works great. http://www.painterschatroom.com/store-pivot-pro.html

VanDamme · 07-20-2010, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Woodland

I use the pivot pro for cabinet doors. Works great. http://www.painterschatroom.com/store-pivot-pro.html

You bought one, eh?

I love mine.....as you know.

Last Craftsman · 07-21-2010, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by TJ Paint

I'm going to share with you all a trade secret LC frowns upon giving away but here goes: a great way to clean oil/alkyd off your hands, arms, face, hair, feet, etc, is to use a basic corn oil for cooking with. It works great and no stinky, icky thinner smells.

I am not against other people sharing their own trade secrets, I also am not against sharing my trade secrets with anyone who makes their living by painting, and who cares about quality and customer satisfaction.

But I will share a trade secret about how to remove oil from your body,the secret is, it shouldn't be all over your arms, face, hair, and feet.

It shouldn't be on the handle of your brush. It should be on the surface you are painting, and maybe a little on the paper you ran under door casings and doors to protect the floor/carpet from flicks and flecks.

BTW promar 200, what is it?

For oil, impervo is the only way to go.

And if you aren't concerned about VOC's naptha kicks massive ass. Flows out like it is sprayed, dries quicker to the touch for less dust. Is drier and easier to handle the next day.

And if you are spraying, it doesn't hang in the air and make the air and room all sticky.

Just don't add too much, flattens the sheen a little, which ultimately is what it will look like in a few months any way. I like low luster. Looks elegant. Oil impervo has a "glow" to it.

Having said all that, I'm over it. Onwards and upwards. Acrylic whenever I can.

Can't stand breathing oil or lacquer any more.

Woodland · 07-21-2010, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by VanDamme

You bought one, eh?

I love mine.....as you know.

Oh yeah, I bought one a few years ago not long after you bought yours. I will never stand up doors in a garage again.

johnpaint · 07-21-2010, 10:51 AM

In the seventies we use to paint out complete kitchens/baths with oil, brush and roll.The only thing I don't like about oil is trying to find out what to do with the wash.I usually let it set until it settles out and pour it back in the can for the next go around, but it's still a hassle.

tntpainting · 07-24-2010, 11:32 PM

the best way is not to use it i havent used oil in 2 yrs really no need any more exept some industrial crap

stlpainter · 07-27-2010, 11:42 PM

Alright guys I may have had a change of heart.

After painting about 300 feet of base-trim today with the same oil paint, it really wasnt that bad.

The consistency was thinned down just right and I definitely made sure to have my respirator on while painting and cleaning up. Didn't even get one whiff of that nasty schit.

And yes it looked pretty good.

Woodland · 07-28-2010, 12:01 AM

Another happy ending.

VanDamme · 07-28-2010, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by stlpainter

Alright guys I may have had a change of heart.

After painting about 300 feet of base-trim today with the same oil paint, it really wasnt that bad.

The consistency was thinned down just right and I definitely made sure to have my respirator on while painting and cleaning up. Didn't even get one whiff of that nasty schit.

And yes it looked pretty good.

I think when we paint oil, we should wear bunny suites and booties!

ewingpainting.net · 07-28-2010, 01:49 AM

I still can't stand oil. The new waterborne products have much more longevity than oils do.