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Old 11-15-2008, 12:42 PM   #21
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Started this crazy life 27 years ago ...still at it ...read alot of the books you mentioned...all good but the best advice you gave , i think ...is stay on the wall and on the crew..
I still have to check my estimating carefully...it can be exhausting different areas require experience in time and supply estimates...love the talk forum...it has helped over and over again..thanks
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Simply great PWG! Thx for all the time spent! I will certainly get most of my painters to view this for sure. Well done.
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When it comes to trying to get ahead, in most instances, it is necessary to pick a persons brain. This guy just pulls out a chunk of his and lays it out there for the taking. I think I'm gonna like this place!



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Buy this book, and read it.
Read the book a while ago. It helped me figure out a lot of what I've been doing wrong for the last 10 years.
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Thanks for the information. Now I know how I'm spending the last part of winter.
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You are rite on. Everyone can run a business for a month, only a few can make a business profitable. You can lose money quicker than you make it. Very goon info. I will pick up one of those books.http://www.caseysbuilding.com
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Could'nt have said it better myself.
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Great resource. Thanks for new york asian escort posting this, it should be very helpful to people just starting out. As many here have said, if there were resources like this available and so easily accessible when I started out, it would have trimmed new york escort some years off the learning curve and school of hardknocks. Hopefully new people will read all of the info you have posted.
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What I want to know is, can they handle caulk? If so, what's the going rate?
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jeeze they are out in force tonight.. I think it may be treefiddy
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I started painting when I was 11 years old. My dad was a builder and gave me two rooms in a new house to paint and left me there. So what if I got the colors mixed up! hahah He never complained about the work I did. Just did a small job end of last week on a house someone bought but hasn't moved into yet. It seems there is more painting work right now than there is drywall work.
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not sure what i need to do here...i have lots of questions
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not sure what i need to do here...i have lots of questions
Just ask.

Remember one thing though. Alcohol is not the answer but it does make you forget the question.
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not sure what i need to do here...i have lots of questions
And you will find some answers here!
You might want to start by telling us a little about yourself and your business here. Click on the new topic button.
Then, spend a few hours, days, or however long you need and read, especially the threads marked "sticky".
You will probably find answers to a lot of your questions and more!
You will see that pricing questions are not a good idea!
Feel free to jump in then!
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I love that Chris is like the PT courtesy patrol and new poster ambassador.
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i am a newbie sorta.....

my husband has been painting 4-ever.... i lost my job and he now wants me to be his secretary, he is overwelmed with the business side. i am not sure how or where to begin with organizing paperwork, office, bids, invoices can anyone help
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I was made for me........
I just start my own company....and this is really awsome post

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So you think you want to own a painting companyÖ


So for whatever reason, you have decided you want to start a business. More specifically, you want to be a painting contractor. Youíve come to the right place for information pertaining to this choice of careers. But before we get too deep into it, letís get this out of the way. Buy this book, and read it. Seriously, for your own good, do it. Itís a short, fast, and easy read, and it will set you straight right from the start. It will help you determine if you truly want to own a business, or if you are just a technician who is having an entrepreneurial seizure. I can tell you from experience, and think that most of the professionals on this site that have been in business for 10 years or more will agree that running a painting company isnít near as easy as most people think it is. In fact it is damn hard. So you painted your buddyís house, and think you can make a living at it? Read on.


Next, determine if you have enough experience in the industry to successfully run a painting business.* You will need to have more than just the basic knowledge of using a brush and roller. If you have only painted a couple rooms or such for friends or family, you donít have enough experience to run a successful and profitable company. I would say a minimum of 5 years of actually painting for living would be a decent start. If youíre only 22, and claim to have been painting for 10 years, guess what. Being 12 years old and helping your cousin/uncle/dad/whoever after school and on weekends doesnít count as experience. Experience starts when you are painting to pay your bills, feed your family, keep your utilities on, etc. If you have less than 5 years experience of actually painting for a living, I highly recommend finding a job with another contractor and gaining some time on the wall and in the trenches.



*If you want to run only the business end of the business, and plan on subcontracting out the labor, then I canít help you here as that isnít my experience. Maybe, if you ask really, really nicely, Brian might give you some good input on that business model.



There are a couple books on the market that could also help a newbie paint contractor. These will give you only basic information (nothing beats hands-on experience):


The Painterís Handbook by William McElroy
Paint Contractorís Manual by Dave Matis & Jobe H. Toole


The PDCA puts out several good books on the subject. They are fairly pricey, but well worth the money. All the PDCA books can be found at the PDCA store.


The Business of Painting Ė a basic business management manual for paint contractors
Marketing for Paint Contractors
Effective Business Planning for Painting and Wallcovering Contractors


While knowing the hands-on technical know-how to be able to paint for money, just as important is the ability to be a businessman to run the business. To do this you need to know accounting, bookkeeping, estimating, and have managerial skills. No one is born with these traits, they must be learned somewhere, somehow. If you have no experience, in any of these, I highly recommend looking into some night classes at your local community college. Bookkeeping I & II, Accounting I & II, Taxes for Small Businesses, etc. Most of these classes are cheap, and can be done at night. If school ainít for you, then start reading. Some basics to start off with:


On the numbers:


How Much Should I Charge? By Ellen Rohr
Where Did The Money Go? By Ellen Rohr
Keeping the Books by Linda Pinson
Markup & Profit by Michael Stone


On estimating:


2008 National Painting Cost Estimator
PDCA Estimating Guide Volume I Ė Professional Estimating Procedures
PDCA Estimating Guide Volume II Ė Rates and Tables
Defensive Estimating by William Asdal


Be aware, I see many new contractors come to these forums looking for pricing information. While it is possible that another contractor might be able to help you understand how to price something, it really isnít feasible for them to tell you an actual price for that task or job. Why? Read this.


And estimating is all about production rates. You need to keep careful track of how long everything you do takes. I also often see contractors asking what a good choice of software is to help them estimate jobs. Here is a news flash for ya: If you donít know your own production rates, there isnít a piece of software in the world that can help you. Every piece of estimating software I have ever seen requires you to punch in your own production rates and material usage rates to be able to accurately spit out a final price. Learn to figure out production rates, materials, and pricing on your own before you look for a software shortcut.


Some more books that might help out in the long run:


Run Your Business So It Doesnít Run You by Linda Leigh Francis
System Buster by Phillip Paul Beyer
The One-Minute Manager by Kenneth Blanchard


One last tip: Read every thread started by PressurePros.


That is about all I can stand to type right now. I welcome all the veteran contractors here to please add to this post with comments, advice, or whatever they can offer to help out the newbies.
Please keep it respectful, and on topic.
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Great insight. I think you hit the nail squarely on the head! You have to surround yourself with good people. So many businesses fail because of poor management. I have been working with entrepreneurs for many years and it amazes me that some of these folks are incredibly good at the technical part of the business but haven't a clue where their money is going.

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I'm another 'newbie' I guess. I mean, I've been painting on and off for 15yrs for a living (also house-flipping and general remodeling/handyman srvs.) I got ripped of by three different bosses 2 years ago totaling over $3000 in unpaid labor so I decided to go out on my own. I got my own van and already had the tools, and things have been much much better. I've stayed pretty steady with just word of mouth marketing. Its just me too. At any rate, to my point; Ive been considering expanding and your post contains answers, or references that will give me what I need to move forward. Bottom line: PRICE LESS POST MAN, THANKS!!!
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