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Old 08-20-2015, 08:11 PM   #141
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Ordered the book on Amazon, many used copies.Thanks for the info, if I'm going to do it I'm going to try to do it right!
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what company offers reasonable liability ins.thx
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thats the best advice ive ever heard,and ive been around 30 years in the business
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I just published this post a few days ago on "How to Start a Painting Business" and I would like to know if you guys feel it would be a good resource for fellows that are just starting out.

It would be good to have another solid blog post or video to link to around estimating. Something that goes beyond the typical "you have to know your production rates" spiel.
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While I agree with not sharing pricing, there is a deeper issue here. When I was younger I worked with a Bohemian contractor who taught me to paint with pride and to provide a professional job. No cracks, no runs, no mess.

I went into business not knowing what other people charge for work, and tried to make it by charging what I thought was a fair hourly wage. I didn't make it on my first effort, went back to school, learned engineering, and fought my way back to a decent wage.

Needless to say, I have since found out that what I thought was a fair wage and what other people are getting away with was entirely different. At the time I thought $15 an hour was a good wage. Now I find people are charging $50 or $60 an hour, and were back then as well.

Recently I was remodeling my home and hired landscapers and carpet layers. They told me that they made between $100k and $200k per year. And likely tax free!!!

Kind of destroys all of the years I spent in school and learning engineering to have landscapers make more than I make!!

What is unfair is to not inform people of the basic wages other painters are trying to earn. When people are struggling to price work at $15 or $20 an hour, and most people are earning 6 figures a year. Newbies deserve to know what level they can price their work at.
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Old 04-03-2016, 05:29 PM   #148
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With the internet these days you can find out pretty much anything you want. What one peron charges vs another makes no difference charge what you need to survive and succedd and dont worry about others.
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Great post, Thank you!
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What a great post. Thanks PWG.
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Thank you for these useful tips and ideas. I'm thinking of getting my home repainted so I was searching for some useful info online. Maybe I'll try Charleston Painting Company. They did my friend's house, they were really satisfied.
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Very good post, been in the painting industry for over 20 years, and there's definitely a lot of good info that ProWallGuy put out! Thanks!
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Old 09-30-2016, 10:27 PM   #154
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Thank you for these useful tips and ideas. I'm thinking of getting my home repainted so I was searching for some useful info online. Maybe I'll try Charleston Painting Company. They did my friend's house, they were really satisfied.
I believe you asked this question over on the DIY website. I answered and directed you to some online reviews......might want to recheck your post over there for more info.
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Really Great post. i have started a new painting business and it's not easy as we seen . the best chanllage is your competior that already place in market and they have years of experience and customer knowlege but we have try and give our best .

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Excellent post. I just recently went online to find new info about the painting industry. Gotta stay on the latest trends and products in the industry. Overall I'm just really excited to have found such an active and relevant forum. I hope this will help me a lot with my [link removed] painting company especially working on being a better [link removed]commercial painter.

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WOW! I wish I read this years ago. Live and learn! So much talent on here.
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Really good information here. At the end of the day I still find myself learning new information with decades of experience. Heck, I didn't think I even needed a website for the longest time. If anyone is interested you can check it out here. Open to feedback.
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While I agree with not sharing pricing, there is a deeper issue here. When I was younger I worked with a Bohemian contractor who taught me to paint with pride and to provide a professional job. No cracks, no runs, no mess.

I went into business not knowing what other people charge for work, and tried to make it by charging what I thought was a fair hourly wage. I didn't make it on my first effort, went back to school, learned engineering, and fought my way back to a decent wage.

Needless to say, I have since found out that what I thought was a fair wage and what other people are getting away with was entirely different. At the time I thought $15 an hour was a good wage. Now I find people are charging $50 or $60 an hour, and were back then as well.

Recently I was remodeling my home and hired landscapers and carpet layers. They told me that they made between $100k and $200k per year. And likely tax free!!!

Kind of destroys all of the years I spent in school and learning engineering to have landscapers make more than I make!!

What is unfair is to not inform people of the basic wages other painters are trying to earn. When people are struggling to price work at $15 or $20 an hour, and most people are earning 6 figures a year. Newbies deserve to know what level they can price their work at.
I've plugged my way up from a $10/hr grunt in 2000 to a fully fledged contractor bidding "very serious jobs"

We should be telling students that there is good money to be made in the trades, and not treat them like they're a dustbin for loud personalities who don't play nice, and dunces who couldn't get into college.

On the other hand, there is a big difference between what you earn hourly, and what you charge. I expect that at $15 you were just about covering your overhead. Lots of people charge upwards of $50 per man-hour, but they're probably taking home about half of that, maybe. (I don't mind telling you most of our customers get us for $65 ... I don't think anyone is going to use this little detail to come steal my customers, but who knows)

And contractors have a habit of bragging. The dollar amount of their jobs go u, every time they tell you about it. It's very likely you were getting gross revenue, if they are a small outfit. Maybe they wanted to impress an engineer. I've grossed a little under 100K before, but never come anywhere near to making that in profit! It's hard to do a million dollars gross. You'd have to have a good sized crew, and do nothing but estimates and administration ... and be good at it! Definitely would not be picking up a brush, and definitely would not be taking home a million bucks for your trouble!

As a one man show, I expected to take 30-40% profit from a job. That is still about right for high-end jobs, and historic jobs, etc. (High-margin / low-volume). The commercial guys can make some very serious money. Their profit margins are more in the 10-15% range (don't quote me on that) but they do more jobs, simpler jobs, run bigger crews, and make up other efficiencies. (Low-Margin / High-Volume). They can make a killing, and charge less per hour.

Those are basically the two business models I'm familiar with in the trades. And they don't mix well. You could get very well-meaning advise from a commercial painter, and it may not apply at all to you (or vice-versa)

anyway, that's my 2¢
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