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Old 07-27-2008, 12:49 AM   #1
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Default Which paint manufacturer makes the best paints?

I wanted to get everyone's opinion on what paint they like the best and why. We all get used to certain brands and love them because they work and we get comfortable. I would like to hear what other people use, how long they have used them and what they like and dislike about them.

I use Sherwin-Williams. I like that they have a product for almost every application, they have locations everywhere in Atlanta, and my sales rep is very knowledgable and helpful.

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Old 07-27-2008, 01:35 AM   #2
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All of the paint reps that I have talked with dont know JACK(ONLY BASICS),they are salesmen 1st they can quit anytime any company.it's rare that U find one that has hands on or actually used the products .i can make just about any coating look great and last a good long time it dont matter if it is cheap or expensive paint.

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B.Moore is the best but also the most expensive so I rarely buy from them.
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They both have their products that are better in certain applications, all depends on what your doing.
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Wall paints in general I would say BM. They put a lot into rheology package. The negative about them is cost.

The zero VOC category is tough because I haven't used many of them, but at this point I would say Mythic is a good can of paint. It had really nice scrub and a good finish. The negative about them is open time.

Sherwin Williams is nice all-around. Some of their specialty paints leave a bit to be desired though. The negative about them is dealing with their store personnel who seem to know very little just judging by my experience.

Aerosol and DTM = Rust-Oleum of course!
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Washable wall= B/M Regal
Ceiling= PPG Premium ceiling white
Trim= Muralo's Ultra
Best all around interior= S/W Super Paint
Best low end(interior) = (tie) PPG Speedhide or S/W Masterhide

The thing is that no one makes a best paint for every application (imho). So for us it gets down to whom gives us the best value. (service + price + product selection) In my area it's S/W and an independant PPG dealer in Annapolis. The Ben Moore franchises suck.
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Washable wall= B/M Regal

Trim= Muralo's Ultra

I 100% agree with your trim paint
Disagree with your washable... are you talking flats? satins etc??
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While we're on the topic, what about exterior stains. My rep, who has been good to me so far advised me to use Storm Stain over Cabot Pro.v.t. I went with it since the HO used it last time and was happy with it. Didn't really come to any conclusions about it since I was painting over the same color and the house was in good shape. But the next house is cedar shingles, dry as a bone. Was thinking of using pro.v.t. for its self-priming characteristics. Or does anyone have a better suggestion?
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While we're on the topic, what about exterior stains. My rep, who has been good to me so far advised me to use Storm Stain over Cabot Pro.v.t. I went with it since the HO used it last time and was happy with it. Didn't really come to any conclusions about it since I was painting over the same color and the house was in good shape. But the next house is cedar shingles, dry as a bone. Was thinking of using pro.v.t. for its self-priming characteristics. Or does anyone have a better suggestion?
Raw shingles or previously stained?
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I use Porter which is now owned by PPG.
SW here in Nashville sucks, the tint machines are different from one store to the next so you can't go to the nearest when you need more of the same color. But then I have never been a fan because their whites just don't cover well.
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Raw shingles or previously stained?

The shingles were previously stained a few years ago. I'll be using a similiar shade of grey to cover the existing grey.
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Just my option and preferences, for what's it worth........

INTERIOR

Trim : Muralo Ultra satin flow
Walls : California Products Super Scrub / Benjamin Moores AURA eggshell. Valspar apparently makes a great, srubbable interior wall paint as well?
Ceilings : Any flat latex, we use RWS or California flat

EXTERIOR

Trim ; California Products 2010 / Sikkens Rubbol acrylic/ AURA exterior\
Siding : same as above.
Decks ; TWP oil. Sikkens SRD, Benjamin Moores Semi transp, Storm Stain oil stain.

* We add NBS 30 bug repellant to all our exterior paints and stains.
* We add M1 mildew preventative booster to all our exterior paints and stains. The manufacturers are stingy with these additives.

I think all Sherwin Williams paints are mediocre at best, and a leading consumer rating and research magazine has recently agreed with me. Sherwin Williams ratings were dismall. They are great at marketing and keeping their shareholders happy though.
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s.w. is overated, overpriced paint, years ago when I managed a Duron store in Virginia we all had copies of s.w. superpaint product data sheets from the early 90's, superpaint then had a solids content of around 43%, the current superpaint at that time (1998) had solids content of 39%. "NEED MORE PROFITS JUST ADD WATER" That should be s.w.'s slogan. Since I'm in Fla my favorite paint lines are MAB (Now owned by S.W., so is Duron) So I don't buy MAB anymore. I now use mostly Color Wheel Paints which is a fla company with about 30 stores. Their Optima line is what I prefer, it's their best line of paint.
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Just my option and preferences, for what's it worth........

INTERIOR

Trim : Muralo Ultra satin flow
Walls : California Products Super Scrub / Benjamin Moores AURA eggshell. Valspar apparently makes a great, srubbable interior wall paint as well?
Ceilings : Any flat latex, we use RWS or California flat

EXTERIOR

Trim ; California Products 2010 / Sikkens Rubbol acrylic/ AURA exterior\
Siding : same as above.
Decks ; TWP oil. Sikkens SRD, Benjamin Moores Semi transp, Storm Stain oil stain.

* We add NBS 30 bug repellant to all our exterior paints and stains.
* We add M1 mildew preventative booster to all our exterior paints and stains. The manufacturers are stingy with these additives.

I think all Sherwin Williams paints are mediocre at best, and a leading consumer rating and research magazine has recently agreed with me. Sherwin Williams ratings were dismall. They are great at marketing and keeping their shareholders happy though.
You are so right about S.W. For the last couple of years their Duration coatings got rated DEAD LAST in Consumer Reports. This is their Best Paint (30-35$ a gallon), it got beat by many brands under 20$ a gallon.

I rag on S.W. alot but if their was a S.W. store in my area with a staff i could trust to get colors correct (They have a hard time matching their own colors from batch to batch) I would buy from them, I would buy mediocre paint at a ok price if the service was great and i could trust them to get my orders right everytime!!! But s.w. falls way short.
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if their was a S.W. store in my area with a staff i could trust to get colors correct (They have a hard time matching their own colors from batch to batch) I would buy from them, I would buy mediocre paint at a ok price if the service was great and i could trust them to get my orders right everytime!!! But s.w. falls way short.
my SW is exactly that. They fall short in no way.
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"When asked to identify the best exterior housepaint, building and painter contractors recommended Sherwinn Williams Duration exterior housepaint more than any other paint". Go figure, why the discrepencies?

Consumer research.com
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Interior = PPG Manor Hall Series

Exterior = PPG Timeless

Decks / Stained Siding / Log Homes = Sikkens Cetol / Rubbol (SRD, LOG & SIDING, DEK - they're all great)


I hate SW. Maybe it's not the product as much so as my local reps but I stick with PPG and Sikkens for EVERYTHING. They're products I know I can trust and I know my customers will be impressed with. At up to $75 per gallon, Sikkens isn't cheap but if you can explain the benefits to the client, they will pay extra 9 times out of ten. I may be higher priced then other contractors in the area but I sell the quality of the products we use and the application method to justify the difference. They would usually rather pay more now for a longer lasting finish.
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Hey Formulator...
(You'll like this...!)
We have a LOT of Rust-oleum at our store. The new Universal is some sweet stuff!

Paint: I LOVE the C2 line we have!
We noticed right away this stuff was different...it's HARD to clean off your hands!! TOP notch resins in this stuff...
We've HONESTLY had painters complain how hard it is to clean it off their hands!!!

Stains:
Hands-down...Sikkens.
We go through a TON of the stuff.
(I just got done shooting 12 Gallons of SRD Redwood #089 on my fence...!)
Couple days ago, a guy comes in, grabs 2 FIVES of Log & Siding, and asked me to shake-'em.
(It was for a condo association)
$375 for each 5-gal pail....Uffda!
He says "Yeah, they just love the look of this stuff!"

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Valspar apparently makes a great, srubbable interior wall paint as well?


Don't bet on it.

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