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Old 02-18-2011, 04:18 PM   #1
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I have been contacted by a family friend to do some painting after a tiny fire with lots of smoke. His furnace was installed improperly and caught fire but luckily another hose near by burned and pissed water on it. this happened a couple of times through out the day causing a lot of smoldering. but no visible soot anywhere.So my question is. Should the drywall areas be cleaned with a solution? I am planning on oil priming the walls and ceilings with either coverstain or zinsser odor less oil. I am waiting to hear from the insurance company to see if they have any wacky protocol for this. All info would be appreciated, i want to have ammo for my guns with insurance company.....also should my rates change a little for the job???

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.so my question is. Should the drywall areas be cleaned with a solution?
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really duh? thats your intelligent response? I feel the that sealing properties of an oil or shellac based primer would holdout the smell, but want to double check. Thats why this website was originally created so we can interact and educate each other. So thanks for you mindlless response brother brush-------> douche
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I have been contacted by a family friend to do some painting after a tiny fire with lots of smoke. His furnace was installed improperly and caught fire but luckily another hose near by burned and pissed water on it. this happened a couple of times through out the day causing a lot of smoldering. but no visible soot anywhere.So my question is. Should the drywall areas be cleaned with a solution? I am planning on oil priming the walls and ceilings with either coverstain or zinsser odor less oil. I am waiting to hear from the insurance company to see if they have any wacky protocol for this. All info would be appreciated, i want to have ammo for my guns with insurance company.....also should my rates change a little for the job???
Yeah,I'd TSP the walls then use coverstain or Killz oil..Don't forget to wash the trim and seal/paint the ceiling as well.
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really duh? thats your intelligent response? I feel the that sealing properties of an oil or shellac based primer would holdout the smell, but want to double check. Thats why this website was originally created so we can interact and educate each other. So thanks for you mindlless response brother brush-------> douche
Why would you ask" Should the drywall areas be cleaned with a solution?" ---------------> Mr Obvious?
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Maybe you can use soot sponges before you seal.

http://www.google.com/products/catal...d=0CD0Q8wIwAg#

There are other kinds but that's the idea...
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i like to have a belt and suspenders approach on all tasks. My initial thought was because there were no actual flames that the oil primer would be enough, but want to cross reference with other professionals. Thanks
By the way i saw pictures on your site of you painting in blue jeans......lol!!!!
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You want to use Shellac not Oil.
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i like to have a belt and suspenders approach on all tasks. My initial thought was because there were no actual flames that the oil primer would be enough, but want to cross reference with other professionals. Thanks
By the way i saw pictures on your site of you painting in blue jeans......lol!!!!
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You want to use Shellac not Oil.
thanks....not looking forward to a shellac shower on the ceilings!
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thanks....not looking forward to a shellac shower on the ceilings!
Dont blame you, but shellac will seal out odor. Oil will block the stain, but do nothing for smell.
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Clean with the soot sponge, then seal with BIN shellac before repainting, and you'll be fine.
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Clean and Bin everything the only way to go
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If this is an insurance job, wouldn't the insurance company contract out the cleaning portion to a jprofessional cleaning service?
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If there is no visible soot I wouldn't worry about cleaning the surface. But I would use kilz or BIN.
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Clean with the soot sponge, then seal with BIN shellac before repainting, and you'll be fine.
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<----Mr. 1 upper

You want to use Shellac not Oil.

I've used Killz original (oil based) to cover smoke damage many times with great results.That's what all the insurance restoration companies use here.Ya, a shellac based primer is also a great product too.



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  • Unpainted, exterior wood exposed to sun and/or moisture longer than 2-4 weeks must be cleaned and sanded before priming.
  • For maximum adhesion, scrape off loose paint and scuff sand the surface thoroughly before priming. On glossy surfaces: scuff sand the surface thoroughly before priming.


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really duh? thats your intelligent response? I feel the that sealing properties of an oil or shellac based primer would holdout the smell, but want to double check. Thats why this website was originally created so we can interact and educate each other. So thanks for you mindlless response brother brush-------> douche

Of course it needs to be cleaned. How is paint going to adhere with crap on the substrate? If it were me I would hire a fire and water crew to come in and clean the soot before I painted anything.
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I have been contacted by a family friend to do some painting after a tiny fire with lots of smoke. His furnace was installed improperly and caught fire but luckily another hose near by burned and pissed water on it. this happened a couple of times through out the day causing a lot of smoldering. but no visible soot anywhere.So my question is. Should the drywall areas be cleaned with a solution? I am planning on oil priming the walls and ceilings with either coverstain or zinsser odor less oil. I am waiting to hear from the insurance company to see if they have any wacky protocol for this. All info would be appreciated, i want to have ammo for my guns with insurance company.....also should my rates change a little for the job???
I said there is no soot!! thats is why i asked. no soot......the walls are clean....they just smell like smoke.....holy moley. Bender thank you for reading and responding to my question. NC too
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I said there is no soot!! thats is why i asked. no soot......the walls are clean....they just smell like smoke.....holy moley. Bender thank you for reading and responding to my question. NC too
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