I have been contacted by a family friend to do some painting after a tiny fire with lots of smoke. His furnace was installed improperly and caught fire but luckily another hose near by burned and pissed water on it. this happened a couple of times through out the day causing a lot of smoldering. but no visible soot anywhere.So my question is. Should the drywall areas be cleaned with a solution? I am planning on oil priming the walls and ceilings with either coverstain or zinsser odor less oil. I am waiting to hear from the insurance company to see if they have any wacky protocol for this. All info would be appreciated, i want to have ammo for my guns with insurance company.....also should my rates change a little for the job???:whistling2::whistling2:
Here is one I am working on now. The house next door caught on fire and this house had smoke damage from the carport that caught on fire.
I used Primz Kilstain Alkyd and it blocks the smell real well.
Wow! I probably averaged a dozen fire jobs per year. Some small, some major. Not sure if I qualify on participating in this thread or not.
On wood and brick surfaces I usually used either Pro-Block or Bin, though I leaned more towards the oil based sealers on those surfaces. Walls, painted trim, and the such - I didn't have a problem using Kilz or a shellac based product. Either way, you need to make sure you have the entire surfaces covered. I wasn't concerned about dry times as it was usually the next day that you could comfortably work in the area anyway.
On a personal note: Josey you either need to lighten up or cut back on the caffiene. Bill probably said it best.
Getting really stupid.
Kilz is for water stains, or crayons or baby stuff.
Bin is for vapor barrier.
Different solvent bases all together. Different solvent bases for different applications. If Bin is too smelly or hard to clean then get out of fire damage jobs. If you want to use kilz then stick to your water stains on ceilings. Nuff said.
And BTW I've tried to use kilz for vapor barrier and it didnt work. Smell came back in 2 weeks.
This paint store owner,NCPaint1 was clearly wrong and because he has made friends in here nobody called him on it ...This is supposed to be a forum for professionals but you chose largely,[and I'm talking about the mods] to take his side...
He said:
-"You want to use Shellac not Oil".
-"shellac will seal out odor. Oil will block the stain, but do nothing for smell."
-"Kilz wont block odor so you would have to scrub every inch really well."
-"I think the odor of Kilz probably just drowns out the smoke smell. I haven't read anywhere that Kilz is a vapor barrier.....I think the Depot guy lied to you." [notice the smart azz remark]
-"Josey, Kilz will block cigarette smoke, and staining, fire smoke ODORS it will not."
-"Kilz. Its useful for sealing many things, I just dont think Smoke Odor is one of them....smoke staining yes, nicotine stains yes...smoke odor from a fire, no :no:"
Now SIX painters in this thread have agreed with me that KILZ works well to seal smoke damage.
Look at all the number of replies he made...He was clearly NOT going to budge on his erroneous opinion but DaArch claimed I was the one being too combative...lol
Either you want the truth or you turn this forum into an old boys club that is closed to new ideas and opinions,where friendship is more important than truth...jmo
This paint store owner,NCPaint1 was clearly wrong and because he has made friends in here nobody called him on it ...This is supposed to be a forum for professionals but you chose largely,[and I'm talking about the mods] to take his side...
Look at all the number of replies he made...He was clearly NOT going to budge on his erroneous opinion but DaArch claimed I was the one being too combative...lol
Either you want the truth or you turn this forum into an old boys club that is closed to new ideas and opinions,where friendship is more important than truth...jmo
Everyone is entitled to their opinions. It is when it starts getting combative then a mod steps in. You continue to want to debate the opinions of others, not the pros/cons of the products being discussed. Please stick to the topic.
Thanks
You had some other professionals agree with you and some that disagreed, it is because many of us operate our businesses in our own ways and we use a product because that is what we were taught or simply had good results with over the years.
There is more than one way to skin a cat and if you like to skin yours front to back and I like to skin mine from under the belly does that make either one of us wrong? It is simply a difference of opinion and I have learned on this forum not everything is worth fighting about. Take what you want from this place, give what you want and leave the rest.
BTW: The reason I don't use Kilz on smoke and fire damaged wood and brick and block, is that over time I've noticed some adhesion problems. More so on the block and brick. It was just easier for me to go to an oil-based sealer for these surfaces. I've also had a few jobs where I had to do a second coat on the brick with the oil-based.
The shellac based products can actually dry and harden to the point where they can't handle the temp/humidity changes of expansion and contraction. The oil-based is a little more forgiving. But, these are just things that I've experienced and in no way should they be viewed as either an endorsement or put-down.
BTW: The reason I don't use Kilz on smoke and fire damaged wood and brick and block, is that over time I've noticed some adhesion problems. More so on the block and brick. It was just easier for me to go to an oil-based sealer for these surfaces. I've also had a few jobs where I had to do a second coat on the brick with the oil-based.
The shellac based products can actually dry and harden to the point where they can't handle the temp/humidity changes of expansion and contraction. The oil-based is a little more forgiving. But, these are just things that I've experienced and in no way should they be viewed as either an endorsement or put-down.
I agree. I didnt even want to go into the brick and block issues. I feel poor KILZ is taking a bad rap here. Its a stain killer not a vapor barrier, did I mention that yet?
The shellac based products can actually dry and harden to the point where they can't handle the temp/humidity changes of expansion and contraction. The oil-based is a little more forgiving.
Oh yea hey tim hag, sorry I think I got the pics wrong. I thought the guy ripping on someone else posted a pic of himself in blue jeans. Looks like my bad. BTW I usually wear whites but as a business owner can wear a tuxedo to work if he wishes, why, its his company, so no prob with anybody wearing jeans, to each his own. My bad. I owe you a coffee, a water, a soda or a beam. Your choice. :notworthy:
To be called a vapor barrier a coating has to have a perm rating no higher than 1,I think Kilz has that rating but some latex primers do too.Bin has a perm rating of 0.4
So the smoky rooms have cleared, I'll clean them with some THC, then light a smoke and apply some binz kilzer, then spray some jim beamzer and see what works best.
And topcoat with some thelastamerican.
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