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Old 12-06-2016, 10:09 AM   #1
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Would like to get a few different opinions on priming drywall for NC. Processes and methods for dusting, do you backroll or just spray, favorite spray tip etc., and favorite products.

Also, trying to come up with a general SF price. Obviously it's going to depend on texturing etc., but what is a good general target SF per hour range once masking, prep, and the actual priming process are included?

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I use a push broom with soft, floppy bristles to knock off the dust. It works nice because I can screw it into an extension pole and reach high spots. This gets most of the dust off the walls. I know a lot of paint crews then use a vacuum to suck up the rest of the dust off the wall. I don't. After the primer dries, I then use my random orbital to sand the walls. Then I mop off the dust remaining from that process. Usually the walls are smooth and dust free after mopping then they are ready for paint. I'm old school and still roll rather than spray.

SF pricing is next to impossible to nail down. I'm in the heart of Appalachia where if you get $3 or $4 per SF, well, you are living like a king. In suburban and city areas, that SF price wouldn't put food on the table. I would ask other painters in your area to get a better idea. Also, pricing by the SF is usually a tough route to go. You will always be short-changing yourself. GC's want the LOWEST rates possible from their painters, so, beware.........
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I have to ask Gymschu, why are you removing dust the drywall sub left there?
I'm assuming there was a drywall company on site before you. I would check their spec section, as it often directs them to clean up their own mess - we have to!
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I have to ask Gymschu, why are you removing dust the drywall sub left there?

I'm assuming there was a drywall company on site before you. I would check their spec section, as it often directs them to clean up their own mess - we have to!


Yeah, I wish. Personally, I have Never worked behind a drywaller that cleaned up their own mess. Some contractors will have laborers clean the dust from the floor before we arrive, but I've never had anyone dust the walls for me.

I'll usually go over the walls with a dust mop, and vacuum out the outlets and crack along the bottom. Then if possible I use an electric leaf blower to blow the rest of the dust out of the house using fans to pull the dusty air out.

Spray and back roll the primer.


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I've never dusted walls down after the drywallers primed. Around here the drywallers usually prime their own work. Get at it with 120 grit and go from there.

Last time I dusted the walls for a GC with a dust mop after sanding the primer down he looked at me and said "I've never seen anyone do that before". Then he complained about paying for it. All the subs said "Bill's walls look like glass when he's done". GC didn't care. Thus, I try to only work for homeowners.
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I've never dusted walls down after the drywallers primed. Around here the drywallers usually prime their own work. Get at it with 120 grit and go from there.

Last time I dusted the walls for a GC with a dust mop after sanding the primer down he looked at me and said "I've never seen anyone do that before". Then he complained about paying for it. All the subs said "Bill's walls look like glass when he's done". GC didn't care. Thus, I try to only work for homeowners.
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We open all the windows put fans in a couple and use a leaf blower like Jmays.
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you guys must be making good money to be sweeping the dust off the walls. NC i put on two coats nice and thick with backroll, sand in between
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you guys must be making good money to be sweeping the dust off the walls.

Good enough to ensure the bond of your coating system isn't compromised by surface dust. A call back where your paint is peeling off in sheets can potentially cost a lot more than making sure the wallboard is in a suitable condition for coating.

I'm not aware of any paints or primers that don't spec removal of surface dust on new drywall as a preparatory requirement before application.



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Sanding, sweeping, priming
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I have yet to find a good old fashioned dust mop that fits on the end of my Sherlock extension pole though. My Dad was a janitor for 28 years. I kind of get a kick out of using his old dust mop which is in pristine condition to mop the dust off walls.

Using your Dad's old tools is fun. I doubt he'd think so, but I do. He kept much better care of his stuff than I do.

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I have yet to find a good old fashioned dust mop that fits on the end of my Sherlock extension pole though. My Dad was a janitor for 28 years. I kind of get a kick out of using his old dust mop which is in pristine condition to mop the dust off walls.

Using your Dad's old tools is fun. I doubt he'd think so, but I do. He kept much better care of his stuff than I do.

"Yer gonna wreck that thing!"


Here's one from Wooster;

http://www.woosterbrush.com/other-to...up/dust-eater/






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http://www.woosterbrush.com/other-to...up/dust-eater/






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That's what I use, works real nice.

I typically hit outlets and the crack underneath with a backpack blower, get what i can off of the wall. let it air out and then go over everything with the dust eater. It gets it about as clean as it can get.

We spray high build primer with a 1221 tip, no back roll. Especially with high build i feel like back rolling causes more problems than it fixes.
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I dust out corners and outlets. Prime and sand prior to and between finish coats.

Exceptionally dusty walls get a light pressure washing.
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I did a thread on NC (new construction) painting, spraying, etc.

Anyone want thread/vids on NC spraying?

Maybe it'll help you some.

One key: Don't use PVA. Grab yourself some hi-build primer and save a lot of struggle.
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No smooth walls around here so I don't have to dust walls and have never had a problem with adhesion. Some jobs I back roll primer, depends on the lighting. I'm starting one tomorrow where I will back roll primer and final second coat because of ceiling height and light. I always back roll final finish coat. I will sand between between coats on smooth walls, which I hate with a burning passion.
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you guys must be making good money to be sweeping the dust off the walls. NC i put on two coats nice and thick with backroll, sand in between
I start making good $ as soon as I walk in the door, it matters not what I am doing
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I'll use a cordless leaf blower for the walls and set up fans at windows blowing dust air outside for level 4 & 5. For textured walls I'll skip the leaf blower and vac the outlets crevice along the floor. Unless I'm using Gardz, drywall dust can cause adhesion issues. I'd rather spend a little time upfront to avoid adhesion issues that may pop up later in the project.

I'll spray and backroll everything except the closets, those just get sprayed unless its a huge walk-in.

My favorite primers are Zinsser 123 and Gardz. No PVA.


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One key: Don't use PVA. Grab yourself some hi-build primer and save a lot of struggle.

Im curious which high-build primer you recommend?




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