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Old 12-11-2015, 09:57 AM   #121
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Ok the top three I have never heard of. Are they a internet only buy. Or what vender normally carries them.
I am pretty much Northern Ohio's E&J distributor. If you google search Elder and Jenks, there are a few places that do internet sales of them, but I don't think any of them carry the complete line. (I don't either but I can order anything from them). If you are interested PM me and maybe we can work something out. I'm not supposed to "sell" or solicit business on the open forum.

Also, there is a bit of i guess you could say confusion or lack of information in regards to the E&J brand on the internet right now. They were part of the Muralo paint company until last summer, at which time they became independent for a time when California Products bought Muralo and spun off the E&J brand. (they want to focus on paint only). They have recently been acquired by a major, well known and respected paint work tool company so you will probably see them in more stores in the near future. I am not sure if this is common knowledge yet so I won't disclose who bought them yet.
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Ok the top three I have never heard of. Are they a internet only buy. Or what vender normally carries them.
I got the merit pro from thepaintstore.com the linzer is at home depot. For some reason it doesn't say linzer in the package it's labeled as best and the e&j I got from PAC. All three of them are awesome sleeves.

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Old 12-11-2015, 05:42 PM   #123
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This is pretty much what i suspected, I have access to the Merit Pro line but I haven't had the opportunity to test them. I went with E&J over Linzer solely based on my pricing from E&J. I found them to be quite close in comparison. And I, like you, was surprised to find the Arroworthy brand were not as good as people tend to think they are. Especially since I have to charge almost $1 more for them at retail then the E&J's. As far as any of the Purdy or Wooster brand covers I again can make more money on E&J at a lower retail price. I only carry specific Purdy and Woosters at costumers requests. (and oddly enough, I can still retail them 15-20% less then SW and 10% less then Menard's or Home Depot. And I know they buy them a lot cheaper then I do. They are playing a little bit of a mark-up game on you guys!)

But good job on the test. I'm sure there will be much talking about the results!

And I'm curious. I know you limited the number of brands and types of covers for your test, but did you get to try the other E&J types I sent you? If I remember I sent you a Profab and a Pro Dual Coater. I you tried them, what did you think of them? And do you think they would be a good value at $1 or so less then a comparable Purdy or Wooster?
Hey PACman I've yet to give them a try. I will and let you know my thoughts. Thanks again for taking the time to send them to me I really appreciate it.

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Based upon your test results, it appears that there is, after all, a good reason to visit Home Depot (Linzer..."Best").
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Based upon your test results, it appears that there is, after all, a good reason to visit Home Depot (Linzer..."Best").
Yea finally after years of garbage they got something good. That was the only sleeve I was actually hoping would suck before I used it. It really is a great sleeve, almost the "best" as advertised.

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Old 12-12-2015, 08:55 AM   #126
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Yea finally after years of garbage they got something good. That was the only sleeve I was actually hoping would suck before I used it. It really is a great sleeve, almost the "best" as advertised.

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I was quite surprised by the Linzers. I rolled with them and subjected them to some 100% destructive testing against microfibers from Wooster, Purdy, Arrowworthy, and E&J. I was very impressed and surprised at how well they performed. But since I can sell the E&J brand at a lower price and make the same profit that's what I stock. Otherwise it would be Linzer.

And I'll tell you what, I some of their higher end brushes are actually much better then you would think. Not the ones they sell in the box stores though.
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Old 12-12-2015, 03:29 PM   #127
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I was quite surprised by the Linzers. I rolled with them and subjected them to some 100% destructive testing against microfibers from Wooster, Purdy, Arrowworthy, and E&J. I was very impressed and surprised at how well they performed. But since I can sell the E&J brand at a lower price and make the same profit that's what I stock. Otherwise it would be Linzer.

And I'll tell you what, I some of their higher end brushes are actually much better then you would think. Not the ones they sell in the box stores though.
Given a choice I'd gladly pay a $1.00 more for the e&j to avoid home depot.
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Given a choice I'd gladly pay a $1.00 more for the e&j to avoid home depot.
Might not have to, the true value near me carries 3 packs of E&J's for $9. Case price is even better. HD site says $11 for a 3 pack of linzer.
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Hey @PACman have you ever gotten your hands on the merit pro gold series Microfiber? It's one bad arse roller sleeve. Thepaintstore.com is selling them for $4.00.

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Old 12-13-2015, 02:07 PM   #130
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Were you rolling walls only? Ceilings too?
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Were you rolling walls only? Ceilings too?
Just walls over builders grade paint.

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Maybe this has already been discussed but what are the performance categories each will be judged on and what's the scale, 1-10?
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Yup I have a spreadsheet made and they will be rated on a scale of 1-10.

These are the categories..
Shed Resistance
Paint Pickup/Release
Durability
Ease of use
Roller Edges (does it make lines, train tracks whatever you want to call them)
Splatter
Finish Quality
Another question I had, I think I remember you being a toss versus clean guy, so if these were one time use only sleeves, was there any significant difference in the Durability category between the sleeves?

Do you have a general sense of how many hours or square feet of rolling a typical sleeve got?
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Ha, I'll spare the PT community from that grief by not including it. Plus it's not all that easy for me to get.
Awww I find that unfortunate as I really wished to see how it compared to other sleeves you've tested. I've used them a few times, I like them a lot but they are very expensive, and I can only get them in units, no packages.

I'd like to see which good ones we can get easily in Canada. My paint store gets the Pintar products, it that helps.
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Another question I had, I think I remember you being a toss versus clean guy, so if these were one time use only sleeves, was there any significant difference in the Durability category between the sleeves?

Do you have a general sense of how many hours or square feet of rolling a typical sleeve got?
Good question,and you're correct I'm more of a toss verse clean guy. There wasn't all that big of a difference points wise in that category between them all. The low tier sleeves tended to flatten out fast and couldn't recover. It was kind of a useless category because I wasn't able to put a ton of miles of each sleeve before grading so they all scored pretty good in that category.

If I had to guess I'd say each sleeve averaged around two bedrooms. Before doing the challenge I used either white doves or marathon sleeves so when I came across a power room or something small I used them instead of testing a new one in such a small area.
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I've used the "best" ones from home depot and I'm not sure if they are that good. I also used the Purdy Micro Fiber roller and had similar results - I'm not sure if I like them. They hold more paint but I'm not sure if the coverage is good or if I'm doing something wrong.

My local suppliers - where I can buy stuff that I need asap - are Home Depot, Sherwin Williams and Kelly Moore.
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Just FYI, Blue Hawk microfibers from Lowes are terrible. The first one I tried seemed to work OK, so I bought a whole bag. Every single one since has shed big clumps of fabric onto my paint job. Like at least a dozen globs each.
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Just FYI, Blue Hawk microfibers from Lowes are terrible. The first one I tried seemed to work OK, so I bought a whole bag. Every single one since has shed big clumps of fabric onto my paint job. Like at least a dozen globs each.
Those Blue Hawk covers suck. They sell a 5hit ton of them though.
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Those Blue Hawk covers suck. They sell a 5hit ton of them though.
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Purdy marathon is the best I've used
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I don't know what my deal is lately but I've been growing tired of every roller sleeve I try. So I decided to put them all to the test and figure out which one I like the best once and for all.

Here are the contenders I have so far..

Purdy White Dove
Purdy Marathon
Purdy Microfiber
Purdy Roadrunner
Wooster Polar Bear
Wooster Cirrus
Wooster Super Fab
Wooster Avalon
Profesional Gold Series Microfiber
Corona UltraWeave
Arrow Worthy Microfiber
Pro Roller Co. Dripless
Consumer Microfiber

Let me know if there's any y'all think I should add to the list and I will.

They will be graded on a scale of 1-10 based on the following criteria...

Shed Resistance
Paint Pickup/Release
Durability
Ease of use
Roller Edges (does it make lines, train tracks whatever you want to call them)
Splatter
Finish Quality

As we know rollers preform differently depending on the substrate and paint used so I plan to use them all in as close to the same conditions as I can with the same paint, either Cashmere flat enamel or SuperPaint Velvet I haven't decided which one yet.

An I missing anything and which do think will be my new go to sleeve?
Sherwin Williams new soft woven
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