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Old 02-20-2012, 12:02 AM   #81
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I really only play with reducing materials for hvlp,spraying, maybe that is an oversight on my part.
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Old 02-20-2012, 02:26 AM   #82
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For application and appearance, you wont see or "feel" any difference. They both feel like oils. If anything, Premi-Plus is a bit easier to apply, has more glide and faster leveling than ULTRA but both level almost instantly. I've been using ULTRA for 6 years. This is the first I spoke about it in any detail recently. It came to light because of the new formulation of Premium Plus last month and how incredibly similar I found it to be to ULTRA. In fact, I swore they were the same products but deeper testing proved otherwise.
Just finished a crown and baseboard job that was bare wood, primed with CoverMax and finished two coats using Behr Premium Plus semi-g stock white. Here's what I thought.
The bad: THICK. I loaded up my brush but didn't get very far. A bit slow to work with. And price. I wasn't expecting to pay $40/gallon (CDN) for HD trim paint. Can you get better pricing from HD???

The good: Second coat is solid but I could see why Jack still uses a good primer over MDF. And it does look and feel like an oil. Good drying time. Great finish overall.

Overall: I'll add a conditioner next time to see how it works but I will use it again. And price accordingly. I like the finish though. I find it comparable to SW All Purpose Enamel although I think the Behr settles a bit smoother.
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Behr premium plus ultra does have a smell, but for some reason, I like the smell.
That's Behr for ya!
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Heck, I used A-100 on a house the other day!
Interior?
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Old 02-20-2012, 10:16 PM   #85
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HA! No, exterior. The HO already had some and I was matching a new section, so I bought another gallon of A-100 to be sure.
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I used A-100 exterior on a property complex exterior since the 30 buildings had been painted 3-4 years prior with it. Went down to a SW I prefer and had a gallon made up, went back and touched up some exterior repairs I performed and it matched perfectly lol. It also covered nicely.

I agree with the earlier statement that newer lines of paint don't automatically render earlier paint lines useless or incompetent, no more than a new model year car mean your 5 or 10 year old car is now useless...
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Guy at SW told me today that when Emerald was demoed to him they ran out of drywall to roll paint onto so they flipped it over and painted the backside of the drywall and had good results with zero primer. I made a face and said I would like to see that one.
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Guy at SW told me today that when Emerald was demoed to him they ran out of drywall to roll paint onto so they flipped it over and painted the backside of the drywall and had good results with zero primer. I made a face and said I would like to see that one.
Sounds like a great high hiding paint to me.
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Guy at SW told me today that when Emerald was demoed to him they ran out of drywall to roll paint onto so they flipped it over and painted the backside of the drywall and had good results with zero primer. I made a face and said I would like to see that one.
one thing all sherwin stores have in common is they all preach their products like god. asked the sherwin store i go to today about it and he just told me its going to be the "best". the more you spend on a gallon there the "better" it is...
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one thing all sherwin stores have in common is they all preach their products like god. asked the sherwin store i go to today about it and he just told me its going to be the "best". the more you spend on a gallon there the "better" it is...
There are quite a few on pt that believe that and they think ben moore is great to, just because it cost so much
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one thing all sherwin stores have in common is they all preach their products like god. asked the sherwin store i go to today about it and he just told me its going to be the "best". the more you spend on a gallon there the "better" it is...
Well to a point that is true how much stuff is in there Pigments and resins will affect the quality of the paint and as prices for raw goods that make up that stuff keep going up it will cost you. But there is a tipping point at which the market will no longer pay for it. I seen it happen with other things. The market will level it out.
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one thing all sherwin stores have in common is they all preach their products like god. asked the sherwin store i go to today about it and he just told me its going to be the "best". the more you spend on a gallon there the "better" it is...
Same bs I heard. "best" ever.
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Same bs I heard. "best" ever.
When you hear them say "best ever" , just make sure you got the vasoline with.
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When you hear them say "best ever" , just make sure you got the vasoline with.
They give me ky jelly, vasoline doesnt cost as much
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They give me ky jelly, vasoline doesnt cost as much
Correct. Lets see at $70 per gal and 4 price increases per year that's a $100 gallon by 2013. Use whatever you like LOL
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Correct. Lets see at $70 per gal and 4 price increases per year that's a $100 gallon by 2013. Use whatever you like LOL
In my area we sum up SW like this: free t-shirts = ok quality. hot interior desinger= finer quality. hot interior design in just the t-shirt= finest quality. Wet-T shirt contest= exclusive finest quality.

sorry what i meant to say was A-100, superpaint, resilence, duration..but we convince ourselves that there is more to gain with each price bracket.

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In my area we sum up SW like this: free t-shirts = ok quality. hot interior desinger= finer quality. hot interior design in just the t-shirt= finest quality. Wet-T shirt contest= exclusive finest quality.

sorry what i meant to say was A-100, superpaint, resilence, duration..but we convince ourselves that there is more to gain with each price bracket.
Hmmm.. where does Promar200 fit in there?
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Hmmm.. where does Promar200 fit in there?
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Isn't Emerald a green? Color of money!
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I had the privilege of getting to visit an old friend of mine in Dallas while attending a conference (unrelated to painting).
He is fairly high-up with SW in that region and he agrees totally that there are too many lines and names and that it would be easier for everyone if there were fewer lines with more attention paid to each.
Furthermore, he and others have appealed to even higher higher-ups and there's no word as to whether any marketing changes will ever come.

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