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Old 07-24-2009, 09:12 AM   #1
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Hello,

Currently I am working on re-habbing a 10 year old home. the house has been severly neglected and is in dire need of some shock pattles to bring it back to life.

Here is the situation... i have a popcorn ceiling that has been thoroughly covered with nicotine smoke stains... due to the nature / budget of this remodel, taking down the popcorn is not an option. Normally we spray our walls and ceilings with Kilz2 and have even used Gliddens Gripper Primer on occasions using the magnum xr7.

The question/s...

Are their any waterbased latex primers out their that will cover the nicotine stains / smell with 2 or three coats without any bleed through?

We are looking at spraying an oil based primer to cover the stains... are their any suggestions for a good oil based primer?

Also cleanup is looking like we would have to use large quantities of mineral spirits for oil based primer.. any advice on cleaning iol primer?

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Michael,

Welcome to the site.

As you know, this is a site for the professional in the painting and related trades.

I see from your profile that you listed "Habitat for Humanity" as your 'related field or trade' , and we all bless you for what you do there.

But, as I said, this site is for the professional.

So would you please clarify for us if you are a professional in a trade directly related to painting ?

thanks, and please excuse the need to clarify.

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Old 07-24-2009, 10:17 AM   #3
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I am a professional in a trade indirectly/ directly related to Painting meaning i am the one that uses the paint sprayer and knows how to take care of it... We paint, frame, floor, drywall, roof, A true jack of most trades (except electrical, plumbing and Hvac we contract those out)... We build about 15+ houses a year at this affiliate and are in the process of getting grant money to Re-ferb 20 some houses here... We paint both Interior and Exterior mainly using valspar. We have done rehabs before but non that have been this bad. If I need to post elswhere let me know.

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We have a product called sugar soap in the UK. Somebody here will clarify if there's a similar/same product in the USA. Wash the surface with that and rinse with clean water. Water based products should cover fine after that.
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Coverstain by Zinnser.....it has a gold & white label
don't mess with washing it or any latex/waterbased product
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since your from habitat (I like you guys). The easiest (least amount of work) would be to use BIN primer on everything. This will seal out stains and odor. For cleanup use alcohol, not mineral spirits. Use a good ventilator mask while spraying. Otherwise you'd have to spend alot of time cleaning before trying waterbase.
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We have a product called sugar soap in the UK. Somebody here will clarify if there's a similar/same product in the USA. Wash the surface with that and rinse with clean water. Water based products should cover fine after that.
that would work on a flat ceiling....cannot imagine trying to wash a popcorn ceiling
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that would work on a flat ceiling....cannot imagine trying to wash a popcorn ceiling
Yeah you're right. I didn't notice the popcorn in the post
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We have a product called sugar soap in the UK. Somebody here will clarify if there's a similar/same product in the USA. Wash the surface with that and rinse with clean water. Water based products should cover fine after that.
does it have trisodium phosphate in it?
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since your from habitat (I like you guys). The easiest (least amount of work) would be to use BIN primer on everything. This will seal out stains and odor. For cleanup use alcohol, not mineral spirits. Use a good ventilator mask while spraying. Otherwise you'd have to spend alot of time cleaning before trying waterbase.

The alcohol you mentioned for clean up... i assume you are talking about denatured alcohol...
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I wouldn't run BIN through my spray rig...maybe some do...I dont really like shooting coverstain but is a necessary evil sometimes...
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you think coverstain blocks odors as good as bin?

i like coverstain too. I hear ya. I guess I just have a sprayer I can use for bin and stuff. Its not the one I use for fine finish projects.
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yeah, denatured alcohol, or any top shelf bourbon...
BIN is shellac based, alcohol is the vehicle.
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does it have trisodium phosphate in it?
It's very similar to your TSP apparently
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yeah, denatured alcohol, or any top shelf bourbon...
BIN is shellac based, alcohol is the vehicle.
You can also use ammonia. It's cheaper.
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You cant run from reality. Oil based Kilz or likewise is your game.
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Hello,

Currently I am working on re-habbing a 10 year old home. the house has been severly neglected and is in dire need of some shock pattles to bring it back to life.

Here is the situation... i have a popcorn ceiling that has been thoroughly covered with nicotine smoke stains... due to the nature / budget of this remodel, taking down the popcorn is not an option. Normally we spray our walls and ceilings with Kilz2 and have even used Gliddens Gripper Primer on occasions using the magnum xr7.

The question/s...

Are their any waterbased latex primers out their that will cover the nicotine stains / smell with 2 or three coats without any bleed through?

We are looking at spraying an oil based primer to cover the stains... are their any suggestions for a good oil based primer?

Also cleanup is looking like we would have to use large quantities of mineral spirits for oil based primer.. any advice on cleaning iol primer?
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I wouldn't run BIN through my spray rig...maybe some do...I dont really like shooting coverstain but is a necessary evil sometimes...
I totally agree...very messy stuff to clean up!

I would just shoot it with Killz...That has worked for 20 years for me.
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Here is my .02 cents. Use Coronado Cover-It in your sprayer and be done with it. I would rate this product to be just as good as BIN without the super fast dry time. It should cover in one coat.
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Cover Stain



The stuff is amazing! Very thick, and spreads like crazy. There's a latex version, but stick with the oil. Much safer on popcorn too.
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How big is the ceiling? I'd roll the oil and then spray the latex if possible. Or just roll it all

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