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Old 06-02-2016, 12:24 AM   #1
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Anyone ever use this? What applications is it best suited for? Stain blocking? Odours? Etc.
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As the name implies, its a urethane acrylic bonding primer designed for maximum adhesion on hard to paint surfaces.
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It failed on one of our jobs. But the ho hired a cleaner to wipe all the trim. I'm not a firm believer yet on Stix.
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It failed on one of our jobs. But the ho hired a cleaner to wipe all the trim. I'm not a firm believer yet on Stix.
Did the cleaner wipe before, leaving something on it, or after and it failed when she cleaned?
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The the "cleaner" use Fabuloso by chance?
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What about stain blocking, or hiding/removing odors?
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What about stain blocking, or hiding/removing odors?


No stain blocking at all, just for sticking to hard to paint stuff.


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Best products I have used and sand paper and oil primer. Can't go wrong.
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It failed on one of our jobs. But the ho hired a cleaner to wipe all the trim. I'm not a firm believer yet on Stix.
Did the cleaner wipe before, leaving something on it, or after and it failed when she cleaned?
The cleaners used pledge I found out from them. I went to school with their cleaner. The ho wife used Murphys oil after we pretty much sanded all wood to bare wood.

Lost our ****lrts on this one, all the profit we made spraying those shakes paid for this job. Just over 12 grand total out of pocket.. Time to move on.
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The cleaners used pledge I found out from them. I went to school with their cleaner. The ho wife used Murphys oil after we pretty much sanded all wood to bare wood.

Lost our ****lrts on this one, all the profit we made spraying those shakes paid for this job. Just over 12 grand total out of pocket.. Time to move on.
Just a tip for you and all the other painters out there, The Fabuloso brand cleaner sold at Walmart and many other stores leaves a film that is similar to what the Murphy's does, only it is actually a film of fragrance left behind when the cleaner dries. I guess the stuff is pretty low on actual cleaning capabilities but high on masking odors. And it's cheap.
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The cleaners used pledge I found out from them. I went to school with their cleaner. The ho wife used Murphys oil after we pretty much sanded all wood to bare wood.

Lost our ****lrts on this one, all the profit we made spraying those shakes paid for this job. Just over 12 grand total out of pocket.. Time to move on.


That's bad--hope you never have to eat another one like that.


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It does have blocking properties. Blocked oak tannin for me. Some pieces were done straight Breakthrough but the ones that were primed with Stix had no tannin bleed while the unprimed did.


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The cleaners used pledge I found out from them. I went to school with their cleaner. The ho wife used Murphys oil after we pretty much sanded all wood to bare wood.

Lost our ****lrts on this one, all the profit we made spraying those shakes paid for this job. Just over 12 grand total out of pocket.. Time to move on.






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Just a tip for you and all the other painters out there, The Fabuloso brand cleaner sold at Walmart and many other stores leaves a film that is similar to what the Murphy's does, only it is actually a film of fragrance left behind when the cleaner dries. I guess the stuff is pretty low on actual cleaning capabilities but high on masking odors. And it's cheap.
Let's veer this puppy way off course now.

Dave, sucks you lost that much, but how did you finally remedy the adhesion problem?
@PACman, how would we test for such issues in the future?
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We sanded every thing again, wiped with a de waxer and then tsp, oil primed and it was fine.
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We sanded every thing again, wiped with a de waxer and then tsp, oil primed and it was fine.
Do cleaners have insurance? That sounds like a claim...
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Anyone ever use this? What applications is it best suited for? Stain blocking? Odours? Etc.
I've used it on maple cabinets. Sprayed extremely well, easy to sand. Insl-x makes other primers specifically for blocking odor and another for blocking tannins.
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Excellent bonding primer. Terrible stain blocking abilities.
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We sanded every thing again, wiped with a de waxer and then tsp, oil primed and it was fine.
Do cleaners have insurance? That sounds like a claim...
To me its on the home owner. We said we would clean trim in our estimate but yet she hired one and said no one had cleaned the trim. I found out who the cleaner was and since I know them we had a chat, the ho insisted the trim be cleaned. Then after we stripped all that trim the ho cleaned it again. Yes I told her not to touch it but she did. So the ho is who we would go after, not the cleaner they did what they were told not knowing if would affect our paint job.

We can make a claim on our insurance but its not worth it, ins rates skyrocket or they cancel your policy. I would rather loose money than ins and comp.
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I dont trust waterborne bonding or stain blocking primers. They have let me down to many times. Oil based rarely if ever fails.
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I dont trust waterborne bonding or stain blocking primers. They have let me down to many times. Oil based rarely if ever fails.
Same with me. Oil primer from now on only again.

This is one thing I hate about painting. All these new products coming out and we take their word its that good. I feel today's paint is mostly crap compared to 10+ years ago.
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