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Old 09-15-2016, 11:43 AM   #21
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Has anyone tried the new DE AristaShield? It's an oil-modified hybrid, brushes and levels like Advance, sand and re-coat in 1-2 hrs.

It's suitable for interior/exterior, is self priming and great on all surfaces, including metal and tile. It will not come off your hands without thinner or Fast-Orange.

I've shot it with airless and FF tips, AAA with same and HVLP, all amazing.

Brush touchup is awesome.

You can smell the alkyd resins curing for a week or so, but that's negligible when you consider the benefits.

Water urethane, tough and a joy to paint with.
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Breakthrough used to be good but the new formula has not been as good at least for me.
I would use Breakthrough if it wasn't $85/gallon here in Canada. Mt rep gave me a gallon to sample and I sprayed a few exterior doors with it. Fantastic leveling and hardness. Wish it had a semi-gloss

But for Cabinets,given that price, I'd first use:

1. Advance if I had a few weeks to do the job (semi-gloss)

2. Cabinet Coat (wish it had a semi-gloss)

3. All Surface Enamel or ASA

4.Valspar Zenith WB Precat Lacquer
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I never used the old breakthrough. I am experiencing what you are saying tho. It has great block.resistance. I had a few sag spots not bond so well to primed and prepped trim when I went to fix them. I'm finding you cannot wet sand this at all even after a week or more. The water definetly softens it. Not instantly but it doesn't take very long. I understand most acrylics take a month to cure fully and most tds say no cleaning until after cure.

I chalked it up to using BM extended to get it to level with my hvlp.

I'm concerned with shooting this on entry doors/entry trim now.


I just don't see the adhesion that so many of the older threads on here talk about.

It is pretty flexible. Sprayed one of my old rubber maid trashcans. I can scratch the Coating off after months but it flexes when squishing the can without harm.

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Instant block resistance is still there; bonding, hardness and flexibility are missing. It has a real sweet open time and levels pretty well now (as good as most but not quite like Advance), but is still pretty fast dry and can usually be recoated in two hours by brush.

So I've been using it on trim and even drywall with good results. I wouldn't use it on cabinets any more and certainly not without primer, but it's w great every-day paint that fits a real niche in the production side of things. Would I prefer Advance? Absolutely. But let me know when BM can get it to a 4-hr recoat and faster cure.

Back to Old Breakthru, it truly lived up to its namesake. Scratch your head kinda stuff. Will not come off a filthy old wooden threshold I tested it on. Just brushed the loose crap off and painted. You have to gouge it off with metal.
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As far as I know Breakthrough has come in 50, 150 and 250 VOC versions. So which one is the original version? I've used breakthrough a few times, but not enough to feel comfortable enough to spec it on a large job.
@sayn3ver I believe that PPG sells an extender for Breakthrough, or you can just add water. It's very likely that the BM extender caused some of your issues.


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I would use Breakthrough if it wasn't $85/gallon here in Canada. Mt rep gave me a gallon to sample and I sprayed a few exterior doors with it. Fantastic leveling and hardness. Wish it had a semi-gloss

But for Cabinets,given that price, I'd first use:

1. Advance if I had a few weeks to do the job (semi-gloss)

2. Cabinet Coat (wish it had a semi-gloss)

3. All Surface Enamel or ASA

4.Valspar Zenith WB Precat Lacquer
Cabinet coat does come in semi gloss. Ask your dealer to order it.
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I wasn't aware and couldn't find one on their site. The PPG dealer said there wasn't one. I asked about the Pitt tech extender product but they don't carry it because the last time he stocked it the product Sat so long it expired. He would have had to order a minimum to stock it which was more product then I need for the next several years. So the dealer said.

I only tried the BM extender product from others who recommended it and only after trying without.

Maybe I'll revisit just thinning with water again and play with different reductions, tip sizes and gun distance.


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As far as I know Breakthrough has come in 50, 150 and 250 VOC versions. So which one is the original version? I've used breakthrough a few times, but not enough to feel comfortable enough to spec it on a large job.
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Wish this was available in NJ. I'd would give it a try tomorrow.


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Has anyone tried the new DE AristaShield? It's an oil-modified hybrid, brushes and levels like Advance, sand and re-coat in 1-2 hrs.

It's suitable for interior/exterior, is self priming and great on all surfaces, including metal and tile. It will not come off your hands without thinner or Fast-Orange.

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You can smell the alkyd resins curing for a week or so, but that's negligible when you consider the benefits.

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Breakthrough used to be good but the new formula has not been as good at least for me.
There are three formulations
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I don't think Insulx cabinet coat can be tinted in darker colors and I can only find it in satin. I haven't had sticking issues. I've also sprayed it with airless before(310).
Only pastel colors nd Semi is a new sheen so not everbody has it
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As far as I know Breakthrough has come in 50, 150 and 250 VOC versions. So which one is the original version? I've used breakthrough a few times, but not enough to feel comfortable enough to spec it on a large job.
@sayn3ver I believe that PPG sells an extender for Breakthrough, or you can just add water. It's very likely that the BM extender caused some of your issues.


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