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Thanks, but I do not embrace Big Brother auto downloading something onto my computer.

I sure I hope I can CHOOSE when I want to download it. Hell, I don't even have the thing fully functional with 8.1 yet.

And as Cricket quoted, 7 and 8.1 should be eligible for 10 for a year after release.

I may want to see how buggy it is.
Big brother will enjoy snooping on my pc. it's full of x-rated stripped houses.

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[QUOTE=cdpainting;807498]Big brother will enjoy snooping on my pc. it's full of x-rated stripped houses.

Big bro will get into our computers weather we want them to or not.[/QUOTE]

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Well, maybe he will, can, and is, but my philosophy is that if you already have unwanted house guests, that's all the more reason to keep additional ones out.
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Well, maybe he will, can, and is, but my philosophy is that if you already have unwanted house guests, that's all the more reason to keep additional ones out.
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Explore your firewall and how to customize what IP's can walk in unannounced. As the internet turns more into the wild west sheriffed by Wall Street, it's enlightening to know that we can actually control the in and out flow.
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Explore your firewall and how to customize what IP's can walk in unannounced. As the internet turns more into the wild west sheriffed by Wall Street, it's enlightening to know that we can actually control the in and out flow.
you think a stinkin firewall is safe?
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Well, obviously I don't.
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Doing a search for Windows on here was painful.

Anyhoo, anyone got this downloaded yet? Supposedly 14 million computers downloaded this in the background in the first 24 hours.
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Doing a search for Windows on here was painful.

Anyhoo, anyone got this downloaded yet? Supposedly 14 million computers downloaded this in the background in the first 24 hours.
I downloaded it yesterday morning. I actually love it.
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Just for what it's worth... Firewalls have nothing to do with the government. And you really should download a third party one rather than trust Windows Firewall, because it's awful.

As far as usability goes, it's probably a big step up from the disastrous flop that was Windows 8. I've heard great things about the interface (though, sad to say, most of those "great things" are that it's not Windows 8. It's a bit silly everyone is praising it for going back to being like every other OS in recent memory- usability should be a given, not a bonus). Unfortunately, there are several downsides:

Graphics drivers for Windows 10 are currently quite sparse and in general very, very bad. Probably doesn't influence most of you guys; working in the tech industry at my second job, it very much does me.

There's also several very intrusive and worrying "features." Windows 10 will now automatically share your wifi connection with any of your Skype, Outlook, etc. contacts that happen to be lurking outside of your house. They won't get your password, but they will have unlimited access to your wifi without asking your permission, at all. Further, if you've ever told a friend your wifi password in the past, their friends will have access to your wifi as well. Potentially complete strangers to you.

The terms of use are also a bit scary- not that that's particularly new to MS.

Chances are most people will keep mindlessly eating out of MS's hand, because that's what they're familiar with and they aren't educated enough or don't care enough to find something better or different. Personally, I dual boot Windows and OS X most of the time. I boot up Linux on occasion and will probably get all three working on the PC I built harmoniously soon. That being said, my Windows 8 install has been pretty hamstrung- go into the registry and disable all the MS "features" I didn't want stealing my personal information, etc.
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Just for what it's worth... Firewalls have nothing to do with the government. And you really should download a third party one rather than trust Windows Firewall, because it's awful.

As far as usability goes, it's probably a big step up from the disastrous flop that was Windows 8. I've heard great things about the interface (though, sad to say, most of those "great things" are that it's not Windows 8. It's a bit silly everyone is praising it for going back to being like every other OS in recent memory- usability should be a given, not a bonus). Unfortunately, there are several downsides:

Graphics drivers for Windows 10 are currently quite sparse and in general very, very bad. Probably doesn't influence most of you guys; working in the tech industry at my second job, it very much does me.

There's also several very intrusive and worrying "features." Windows 10 will now automatically share your wifi connection with any of your Skype, Outlook, etc.contacts that happen to be lurking outside of your house. They won't get your password, but they will have unlimited access to your wifi without asking your permission, at all. Further, if you've ever told a friend your wifi password in the past, their friends will have access to your wifi as well. Potentially complete strangers to you.

The terms of use are also a bit scary- not that that's particularly new to MS.

Chances are most people will keep mindlessly eating out of MS's hand, because that's what they're familiar with and they aren't educated enough or don't care enough to find something better or different. Personally, I dual boot Windows and OS X most of the time. I boot up Linux on occasion and will probably get all three working on the PC I built harmoniously soon. That being said, my Windows 8 install has been pretty hamstrung- go into the registry and disable all the MS "features" I didn't want stealing my personal information, etc.
Can I assume there's a list of what graphics cards are supported? Or at least be able to look up an older card and see if it's supported?

And if my win 10 machine is hard wired and I never use skype or outlook, will my network be at risk ?

that's just WRONG. I'm forever allowing friends access to our wi-fi for their i-Toys. Perhaps this is M$ way of making people afraid to use i-Toys ?

Any idea on plugging these security holes? Jeeesh, with the increased prevalence of internet spying, hacking, ID theft, etc, one would like to believe Redmond was not cranking out swiss cheese.
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Your best bet for graphics drivers is to check with your graphics card manufacturer directly via their website. MS's automatical driver detection is flawed at best- the "generic" drivers from manufacturer are usually more reliable and more recent. Intel, AMD (also own ATI), and NVidia should all have auto-detection tools on their website that can (hopefully) at least find you a generic driver that will work with Windows 10, but using the ones built-in has been spotty at best right now.

Regarding the network sharing, I'd have to double check to be sure, but if you ever enter your wifi password on any Windows 10 device on your network, it will automatically be shared. There was another place it took contacts from which I can't remember off hand, but I think it might have been Facebook. There is a way to turn this "feature" off in the control panel if I recall correctly, but unfortunately even this doesn't solve the issue- there's no "ownership" of wifi as far as MS is concerned now, so even if you have it turned off for all of your Windows 10 devices, if any of your friends have your password it will still share it with everyone they know. Unfortunately there's no secure way to stop this entirely unless you've never shared your password with anyone, ever, or unless you convince all of them to turn this "feature" off on all of their Windows 10 devices. Only bright side? People with good phones (read: non-Windows phones) won't share your info.

It might be worth double checking with your wifi device company if they offer any additional security. I know some systems require a two-tiered authentication to access (normal wifi pass and one extra layer) but I'm not sure it's available for any residential machines.

Alternatively, unplug your wifi entirely and move everything to hardwire. Welcome to the future, where you're so scared of MS sharing your info you have to go back to crappier tech to feel secure.
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I assume after that first year they will bring large updates (service packs) that you have to pay. I don't see a problem with that model, Apple has been doing incremental updates and no one blinks an eye. I don't understand why Microsoft cant.
Microsoft has been doing incremental updates for most of the last 10+ years, too, essentially. Very little has changed in the underlying OS since they moved on from DOS. As an end user, it might look like a lot has changed, but very little has in reality. Windows 7 was functionally identical to Windows 8, for instance, the only major change was the UI- but that's like changing a coat of paint. The house underneath is still the same, as much as MS would like to convince you that each 'new' operating system is an astonishing new development. The change from 8.1 to 10 is the same. It's the same OS, just with updates and UI tweaks.

The same is true for Apple's OS's since the transition from OS 9 to OS X, with the only major underlying change being the drop for OS 9 (aka Classic) support in OS X 10.6. The biggest difference is that Apple doesn't try to reinvent the wheel every time they update. The just polish and make it a bit sleeker each time. Sometimes they try small changes like Spaces or the Dock. Some of it works (Dock) and sticks around, some of it doesn't (Spaces) and goes away.

Personally, I'd use a mix of OS X and Linux for most everything if my job didn't require Windows.

TL;DR "new" operating systems in the last decade+ are really the exact same as the old OS's, but with minor tweaks and new features tacked on.
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Microsoft has been doing incremental updates for most of the last 10+ years, too, essentially. Very little has changed in the underlying OS since they moved on from DOS. As an end user, it might look like a lot has changed, but very little has in reality. Windows 7 was functionally identical to Windows 8, for instance, the only major change was the UI- but that's like changing a coat of paint. The house underneath is still the same, as much as MS would like to convince you that each 'new' operating system is an astonishing new development. The change from 8.1 to 10 is the same. It's the same OS, just with updates and UI tweaks.

The same is true for Apple's OS's since the transition from OS 9 to OS X, with the only major underlying change being the drop for OS 9 (aka Classic) support in OS X 10.6. The biggest difference is that Apple doesn't try to reinvent the wheel every time they update. The just polish and make it a bit sleeker each time. Sometimes they try small changes like Spaces or the Dock. Some of it works (Dock) and sticks around, some of it doesn't (Spaces) and goes away.

Personally, I'd use a mix of OS X and Linux for most everything if my job didn't require Windows.

TL;DR "new" operating systems in the last decade+ are really the exact same as the old OS's, but with minor tweaks and new features tacked on.
I'm not the most computer savvy person, but much of what you just described reminds me of "improvements" in laundry detergent. New and improved usually means a prettier box, while the contents remain largely unchanged.
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I'm not the most computer savvy person, but much of what you just described reminds me of "improvements" in laundry detergent. New and improved usually means a prettier box, while the contents remain largely unchanged.
To carry on the banal house metaphor, each update is like a fresh coat of paint. Sometimes you might get new windows or enclose the screen porch or add air conditioning, too- but at the end of the day, it's still the same house. There's nothing specifically wrong with that, but it is a bit unfortunate that they're always marketed as "new."
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I always find it amusing when you grab your regular jug of laundry detergent and it says "NEW LOOK!" on it. That's just silly.

I would agree that not much has changed in windows over the years other than aesthetics.

I've tried using different firewalls over the years. Never found one that didn't cause more problems than they were worth. Peter Norton's products used to be the cat's butt, but when he sold it off to Symantec they went to crap. Badly.

One thing I do know, is that before I do this upgrade to Win 10 I'm backing up all my invoices, drivers, bookmarks, etc. just in case.
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One thing I do know, is that before I do this upgrade to Win 10 I'm backing up all my invoices, drivers, bookmarks, etc. just in case.
This is probably the best advice you can give anyone before making major changes to their operating system. I have my files backed up on 3 computer hard drives, an external drive, and most of my important stuff with an off-site backup as well. And that's just my personal files.
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Your best bet for graphics drivers is to check with your graphics card manufacturer directly via their website. MS's automatical driver detection is flawed at best- the "generic" drivers from manufacturer are usually more reliable and more recent. Intel, AMD (also own ATI), and NVidia should all have auto-detection tools on their website that can (hopefully) at least find you a generic driver that will work with Windows 10, but using the ones built-in has been spotty at best right now.

Regarding the network sharing, I'd have to double check to be sure, but if you ever enter your wifi password on any Windows 10 device on your network, it will automatically be shared. There was another place it took contacts from which I can't remember off hand, but I think it might have been Facebook. There is a way to turn this "feature" off in the control panel if I recall correctly, but unfortunately even this doesn't solve the issue- there's no "ownership" of wifi as far as MS is concerned now, so even if you have it turned off for all of your Windows 10 devices, if any of your friends have your password it will still share it with everyone they know. Unfortunately there's no secure way to stop this entirely unless you've never shared your password with anyone, ever, or unless you convince all of them to turn this "feature" off on all of their Windows 10 devices. Only bright side? People with good phones (read: non-Windows phones) won't share your info.

It might be worth double checking with your wifi device company if they offer any additional security. I know some systems require a two-tiered authentication to access (normal wifi pass and one extra layer) but I'm not sure it's available for any residential machines.

Alternatively, unplug your wifi entirely and move everything to hardwire. Welcome to the future, where you're so scared of MS sharing your info you have to go back to crappier tech to feel secure.
I did a quick search on the network sharing. You can opt out.

This is a good article that explains it better

http://krebsonsecurity.com/2015/07/w...with-contacts/

One thing about winders that I like is that most "features" can be customized. YES, you need to do some research and some tweaking, but there is usually a work-around
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I already mentioned that you can opt-out of it :P

But like I mentioned, that still doesn't keep your wife or any of your friends who you've given your password to from mashing "yes" when it pops up. Answering honestly, do you think all of your friends will read the prompt thoroughly or even at all when it comes up, or will they just mash "Yes" so they can get to playing Candy Crush?


Edit: Though I had forgotten that you could edit the SSID of your device to disable this entirely. Still, that's a pretty severely power-user only type deal. It'll work for the more computer savvy of us, but I reckon the vast majority of Windows users could never figure it out if they even knew to try.
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This is true of all OS's, though- and it's least true of Windows out of all of them. For instance, I really have no wish to have Windows Defender trying to tell me what I can and can't do with my own computer, but it's built so deeply into the core of the OS that it can't be fully disabled or removed. Windows does maintenance without telling or asking you, downloads stuff without telling or asking you, and most of this stuff is impossible or extremely hard to stop. With the other OS's, not only do they just not do this kind of stuff, but they also offer easy options to disable features that you dislike without having to do registry hacks and editing device ID's and other insane workarounds. Hell, there's a bunch of programs that Windows won't even let me delete off of the hard drive purely because they're Microsoft programs and people should have those shoved down their throats regardless of whether they want them or not, right?
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