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Old 09-07-2011, 12:14 AM   #41
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WOW! I can't believe you're spraying walls and not covering the carpet!! That's unreal man. I could NEVER do that and feel good about the job. I mean you are getting PAINT on the carpet! There is NO WAY that you aren't! And what about getting wall paint on the ceiling?? and windows and doors?? Couldn't you at least throw a runner down! Look I am not putting you down man, but Jesus that's just something I couldn't live with even for that low amount of money.

I hope you don't take this the wrong way but what you're doing just blows my mind dude. Unbelievable!
If you watch the video you can see gibberish45 spray right down to base board without covering the carpet.

I don't see any problem doing this when the carpet is going to be professionally steamed cleaned.

On the west coast a lot of apartments ceilings are the same paint and finish as on the walls that's the way their built.

This a turn around rental.

We are not talking custom homes here.

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Old 09-07-2011, 12:15 AM   #42
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I will make it a point to make a video on the proper use of a extension/swivel for production painting I will do it this month
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I dont use an extension unless it's it a ceiling I can't reach. If Im not going to backroll I will spray in both directions.
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WOW! I can't believe you're spraying walls and not covering the carpet!! That's unreal man. I could NEVER do that and feel good about the job. I mean you are getting PAINT on the carpet! There is NO WAY that you aren't! And what about getting wall paint on the ceiling?? and windows and doors?? Couldn't you at least throw a runner down! Look I am not putting you down man, but Jesus that's just something I couldn't live with even for that low amount of money.

I hope you don't take this the wrong way but what you're doing just blows my mind dude. Unbelievable!
I'm not spraying the carpet. Sure there is some spray dust from the gun hitting it but it gets cleaned and the cheap brown carpet hides it well. As I said before if it was navy blue berber I'd be covering it and shielding (and charging a lot more) but it's not and this works.

I currently paint all apartment turns for 3 complexes. Since I starting working for myself I have been on 6 different ones and when I worked for another local apartment painter I painted at at least 7 others in the area.
I also know about a dozen other guys who pretty much exclusively paint apartments cause most can't use a brush.

They're all done this way.
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I will make it a point to make a video on the proper use of a extension/swivel for production painting I will do it this month
Jesus, you should say I'll make a video of the way "I do it", not "the proper way". Who the hell do you think you are anyways? I can't believe some of the pompous attitudes some of you guys have on here. A little less ego and a little more humility might help. And if you don't like this post maybe you can tell me the "proper way" to post. Just ridiculous!

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How about cardboard shields on a pole, held on by one of the adjustable angled cardboard holders?

Using an extension, you could hold the shield in place and spray all the way top-to-bottom. It'd probably go faster with the spraying, then you'd lose that time in switching out shields.

When using cardboard shields, switch them out sooner than later so the paint actually dries, then you can reuse them.
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I would love to see a proper vid with a swivel. The ones I have seen where the guys spray top to bottom with an extension looks like the paint is heavier in the middle because they stand still and move the gun up and down. Meaning it's closer to the wall in the middle and farther away on top and bottom. I assume a swivel keeps the gun more level with the wall?
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Jesus, you should say I'll make a video of the way "I do it", not "the proper way". Who the hell do you think you are anyways? I can't believe some of the pompous attitudes some of you guys have on here. A little less ego and a little more humility might help. And if you don't like this post maybe you can tell me the "proper way" to post. Just ridiculous!
ok..... I'll make a video to show the way I do it. Do your feelings feel better now?

Anyways, about the different way to do this without covering the carpet. I think you are doing fine, I might use a lill 211 or a 312 for that part then switch tips and do the walls. I want to make the video because like ole says his paint brush is a piece of his hand my wand and swivel are an extension of my arm.
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I would love to see a proper vid with a swivel. The ones I have seen where the guys spray top to bottom with an extension looks like the paint is heavier in the middle because they stand still and move the gun up and down. Meaning it's closer to the wall in the middle and farther away on top and bottom. I assume a swivel keeps the gun more level with the wall?
You need to move your arm closer to the wall at the top and bottom to keep the tip at the same distance to the substrate.
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ok..... I'll make a video to show the way I do it. Do your feelings feel better now?

Anyways, about the different way to do this without covering the carpet. I think you are doing fine, I might use a lill 211 or a 312 for that part then switch tips and do the walls. I want to make the video because like ole says his paint brush is a piece of his hand my wand and swivel are an extension of my arm.
It's not about my feelings, it's about your attitude. You are obviously full of yourself. The only reason you would post a video is not to help others but as a testament to your own greatness. I have been in business since 1984 and bought my first sprayer in 1986 yet I would NEVER try to tell anyone the PROPER way of doing anything. There are as many different ways to get the job done as there are painters. Painting is not bridge engineering, anyone with half a brain can figure out the techniques rather quickly, it's more about the attitude of the people involved, their willingness to to a good job, take the time to do it right , not cut corners and respect their employers. I don't care if you spray horizontally or vertically but spray painting in a room with carpeting and not making any attempt to mask it is full on bush league and totally disrespectful of the trade, the customer and the future tenants.
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Paintalot you seem very passionate about our trade. I admire that. I'm not going to argue with you but I give my clients what they expect and want. I disagree that it screws the tenants as well because it gets cleaned.

I live in an apartment as well and it was done the same way. Obviously you don't do low end work like this. Did you see the thread about cardboard patches?
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As far as techniques go as stated.
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Paintalot you seem very passionate about our trade. I admire that. I'm not going to argue with you but I give my clients what they expect and want. I disagree that it screws the tenants as well because it gets cleaned.

I live in an apartment as well and it was done the same way. Obviously you don't do low end work like this. Did you see the thread about cardboard patches?
Actually when I first started in the early 80's I had a large low income townhouse site where I did all the painting. I got 300 bucks per unit, 3 bedrooms, 3 levels. I brush and rolled them, I never even considered spraying. I could get them done in 6 hours. One thing that I used was a brush extension on a pole for cutting the tops and an 18" roller for the walls. Anyways I guess it's really none of my business what you do or how you paint as long as the employer is happy that's all that matters.

The problem is when you are doing lowend jobs you get into bad habits that make going to the next level difficult. Also lowend jobs lead to more lowend jobs so you just get caught in that cycle you know? At some point for me anyways I got sick of those types of jobs and those types of people. I made the jump to more high end residential, renovation interior work and haven't looked back.
Anyways good luck to you I know it's not easy to make a buck out there these days....
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6 hours is way too long for these. I don't have a problem turning it off and on. I do plenty of residential repaints. I have done one or two rooms in big mansions but for the most part it's average homes. I don't spray there and wouldn't dream of not protecting the carpet.

I continue to paint apartments because the work is steady. I know I'll have $4-$6k worth of work monthly and I don't have to spend a penny in marketing to get it.

I totally agree about the bad habits thing though. I do stuff in these apartments that would never fly anywhere else. Just have to remember where you are and give the appropriate level of service.
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It's not about my feelings, it's about your attitude. You are obviously full of yourself. The only reason you would post a video is not to help others but as a testament to your own greatness. I have been in business since 1984 and bought my first sprayer in 1986 yet I would NEVER try to tell anyone the PROPER way of doing anything. There are as many different ways to get the job done as there are painters. Painting is not bridge engineering, anyone with half a brain can figure out the techniques rather quickly, it's more about the attitude of the people involved, their willingness to to a good job, take the time to do it right , not cut corners and respect their employers. I don't care if you spray horizontally or vertically but spray painting in a room with carpeting and not making any attempt to mask it is full on bush league and totally disrespectful of the trade, the customer and the future tenants.
You can interpret my post anyway you like there are people in the world that haven't been painting since the 80's and haven't seen some different methods used. For those people they might appreciate it.
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Did you see the thread about cardboard patches?
oooohhhhhhhh no you dont'.

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Thanks for the vid Josey but I still don't see how that would work in my situation. I'm not going to take the time to mask 1,000 l ft of carpet every apartment.
http://www.installerstore.com/Carpet...-36-x-200.html

Use carpet protection, roll up onto base and drop the middle of the rooms to the carpet protection.
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http://www.installerstore.com/Carpet...-36-x-200.html

Use carpet protection, roll up onto base and drop the middle of the rooms to the carpet protection.
That will work, however I did apartment maintenance turn overs for about 5 years, and we did all wall repairs, painting, and carpet cleaning. Unless you really goof up and spray directly on the carpet the steam cleaner using the proper chemicals can get over spray out in one single pass. Counter tops, fridge, mirrors, lights, and vinyl flooring were the only things we bothered to mask.

There was one complex we serviced that had darker walls, and we would use heavy felt tar paper to protect the almost white carpet.

Also I agree with others about using an extension, and swivel. Not using on is like rolling with a 9 frame and not using a pole. You are killing yourself without realizing it.
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See this in not very good either, all the joints in the middle will be covered ok , but the the panel joints at the top and bottom will have holidays in them.
I'm with you on that. For me, the gun stays straight on the subject. Parallel to the part being sprayed. Even when shooting regular doors the gun goes to the floor with me. As far as the wand goes... i'm only a fan using them on ceilings.
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