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Old 04-13-2017, 04:46 PM   #21
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Leaving the enforcement up to individual states likely won't work either. Since the start of the RRP in 2010 only 14 states have started their own programs. What would encourage them to do so now?

Furthermore, the Fed is also looking to cut state funding for environmental issues, in general. So the states would be tasked, if they feel so inclined, to create their own RRP's with less money.



Most less expensive paints substitute calcium silicate or some such thing for the more expensive Titanium Dioxide. This cheaper substitute is potentially carcinogenic. So we will likely be working to remove it some time down the road, as well.
States like MA would start to fine the poo out of us for every little infraction if they could. Like I said have basic Federal guide lines each state must follow. Let the states deal with it. If they don't know how to modify the laws to suit themselves follow the fed rules. Now each state will keep the fine money instead of the feds.
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How do you fund the federal oversight? Where should those fines go?
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How much $ gets sent back to the states from The feds then? Are we paying for services the feds no longer wish to render? What other things should each state demand a refund for? Does this quality as a taxation without representation? And to what end? Washington has it's own program and I think it's great for each state to manage it's own. I also think a % of paint sales in each state from corporations should be somehow be mandated. They all knew lead was problematic. Has been for centuries (leaded water vessels and cups n such in Greece or rome or whatever...cant remember but I've read some interesting stuff about it over the years...just Google it) it's not the ho's fault. But they get the shaft and we get the exposure and the fines if we don't play by the rules. Why shouldn't the local,state, feds and industry take some financial responsibility for cleaning up the mess?

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If you're not going to enforce something, what's the use? I don't care if it goes or stays, because it's not enforced anyway (here).
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How much $ gets sent back to the states from The feds then? Are we paying for services the feds no longer wish to render? What other things should each state demand a refund for? Does this quality as a taxation without representation? And to what end? Washington has it's own program and I think it's great for each state to manage it's own. I also think a % of paint sales in each state from corporations should be somehow be mandated. They all knew lead was problematic. Has been for centuries (leaded water vessels and cups n such in Greece or rome or whatever...cant remember but I've read some interesting stuff about it over the years...just Google it) it's not the ho's fault. But they get the shaft and we get the exposure and the fines if we don't play by the rules. Why shouldn't the local,state, feds and industry take some financial responsibility for cleaning up the mess?

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The percentage is nice in theory but the paint companies wouldn't be paying that percent of paint sales. They'd just raise the cost of paint to include it. Same goes for corporate taxes, they don't pay it the consumer does.



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The percentage is nice in theory but the paint companies wouldn't be paying that percent of paint sales. They'd just raise the cost of paint to include it. Same goes for corporate taxes, they don't pay it the consumer does.



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That being said "I reject your reality and substitute my own". (I can't remember what movie that was in..)

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Well in this world where alternative facts Trump truth, the big boys pay for it.
That being said "I reject your reality and substitute my own". (I can't remember what movie that was in..)

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Adam Savage of "Myth Busters".

I cheated and looked it up on tropes and found this one quote that I like: Baron Munchhausen's "Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I am delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever! "
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Enforcement is probably best executed at a local level, but a federal minimum standard for safety seems reasonable. In fact, I would like to see more enforcement at the local level. I keep hearing folks Back East talk about how the lead inspector drops by regularly, but out here in Northwest Washington State I regularly see other painters working in violation of the laws with no worry whatsoever of getting caught. In fact, I don't think I've seen ANY of my competitors using what I learned in the lead class were the proper practices. At best, I see some visqueen thrown out haphazardly; never any personal protective equipment used or marking tape. Nobody pays any penalty because we only have one lead inspector for the western half of our state.

I never "drop a dime" on my competition; I just try to educate all my clients about the proper process. If a client balks at the thought of me trying to do a lead job correctly, I know they're not a good fit for me.
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