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Old 04-13-2017, 04:46 PM   #21
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Leaving the enforcement up to individual states likely won't work either. Since the start of the RRP in 2010 only 14 states have started their own programs. What would encourage them to do so now?

Furthermore, the Fed is also looking to cut state funding for environmental issues, in general. So the states would be tasked, if they feel so inclined, to create their own RRP's with less money.



Most less expensive paints substitute calcium silicate or some such thing for the more expensive Titanium Dioxide. This cheaper substitute is potentially carcinogenic. So we will likely be working to remove it some time down the road, as well.
States like MA would start to fine the poo out of us for every little infraction if they could. Like I said have basic Federal guide lines each state must follow. Let the states deal with it. If they don't know how to modify the laws to suit themselves follow the fed rules. Now each state will keep the fine money instead of the feds.
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How do you fund the federal oversight? Where should those fines go?
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How much $ gets sent back to the states from The feds then? Are we paying for services the feds no longer wish to render? What other things should each state demand a refund for? Does this quality as a taxation without representation? And to what end? Washington has it's own program and I think it's great for each state to manage it's own. I also think a % of paint sales in each state from corporations should be somehow be mandated. They all knew lead was problematic. Has been for centuries (leaded water vessels and cups n such in Greece or rome or whatever...cant remember but I've read some interesting stuff about it over the years...just Google it) it's not the ho's fault. But they get the shaft and we get the exposure and the fines if we don't play by the rules. Why shouldn't the local,state, feds and industry take some financial responsibility for cleaning up the mess?

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If you're not going to enforce something, what's the use? I don't care if it goes or stays, because it's not enforced anyway (here).
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How much $ gets sent back to the states from The feds then? Are we paying for services the feds no longer wish to render? What other things should each state demand a refund for? Does this quality as a taxation without representation? And to what end? Washington has it's own program and I think it's great for each state to manage it's own. I also think a % of paint sales in each state from corporations should be somehow be mandated. They all knew lead was problematic. Has been for centuries (leaded water vessels and cups n such in Greece or rome or whatever...cant remember but I've read some interesting stuff about it over the years...just Google it) it's not the ho's fault. But they get the shaft and we get the exposure and the fines if we don't play by the rules. Why shouldn't the local,state, feds and industry take some financial responsibility for cleaning up the mess?

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The percentage is nice in theory but the paint companies wouldn't be paying that percent of paint sales. They'd just raise the cost of paint to include it. Same goes for corporate taxes, they don't pay it the consumer does.



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The percentage is nice in theory but the paint companies wouldn't be paying that percent of paint sales. They'd just raise the cost of paint to include it. Same goes for corporate taxes, they don't pay it the consumer does.



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That being said "I reject your reality and substitute my own". (I can't remember what movie that was in..)

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Well in this world where alternative facts Trump truth, the big boys pay for it.
That being said "I reject your reality and substitute my own". (I can't remember what movie that was in..)

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Enforcement is probably best executed at a local level, but a federal minimum standard for safety seems reasonable. In fact, I would like to see more enforcement at the local level. I keep hearing folks Back East talk about how the lead inspector drops by regularly, but out here in Northwest Washington State I regularly see other painters working in violation of the laws with no worry whatsoever of getting caught. In fact, I don't think I've seen ANY of my competitors using what I learned in the lead class were the proper practices. At best, I see some visqueen thrown out haphazardly; never any personal protective equipment used or marking tape. Nobody pays any penalty because we only have one lead inspector for the western half of our state.

I never "drop a dime" on my competition; I just try to educate all my clients about the proper process. If a client balks at the thought of me trying to do a lead job correctly, I know they're not a good fit for me.
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It's enforced here bigtime unless your in our country illegally then no worries . And that's a FACT!
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Most undocumented immigrants don't want to attract any attention to themselves. They would be more likely to be certified than not.
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Most undocumented immigrants don't want to attract any attention to themselves. They would be more likely to be certified than not.


Most illegal immigrants didn't worry about attracting attention until about 3 months ago. And wouldn't the process of getting certified attract attention to their illegal status?


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Most undocumented immigrants don't want to attract any attention to themselves. They would be more likely to be certified than not.
Rightttt...undoncument yet rrp certified? Seems like an oxymoron.

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The lead companies knew it was insanely toxic as early as the mid-sixties and waged a decades-long "lead isn't as bad as those damned scientists want you to think it is" campaign to protect their profits. Petroleum products are nowhere near as toxic to humans as lead, so while it's being used less, it's not a fair comparison at all. It was never the best product and the manufacturers knew it.

Whoever's to blame, we're stuck with it and it's something contractors and HOs have to deal with appropriately. I don't think state-level control is good since it's just as bad in Arkansas as it is in California for people and there doesn't need to be 50 sets of regulations on how to deal with it.
We had people specifically request white lead paint for their homes exteriors when I first got into painting in 1973. A popular brand we used at the time was made on the southside of Chicago, Scotch Laddie White Lead Paint!

I worked for a contractor from about 1992-1996 that did 90% of their work for Amoco, painting gas stations. The paint we used was called Amoco gloss oil made by Valspar Paint, Rockford Illinois. The label clearly stated for industrial use only, Contains Lead even though lead paint was banned for the consumer in 1978 or 79!
I'm pretty sure that some industrial finishes, especially traffic marking paint to this day still contain lead.
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We had people specifically request white lead paint for their homes exteriors when I first got into painting in 1973. A popular brand we used at the time was made on the southside of Chicago, Scotch Laddie White Lead Paint!

I worked for a contractor from about 1992-1996 that did 90% of their work for Amoco, painting gas stations. The paint we used was called Amoco gloss oil made by Valspar Paint, Rockford Illinois. The label clearly stated for industrial use only, Contains Lead even though lead paint was banned for the consumer in 1978 or 79!
I'm pretty sure that some industrial finishes, especially traffic marking paint to this day still contain lead.
As far as I know it is still available for industrial and marine applications.
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Most illegal immigrants didn't worry about attracting attention until about 3 months ago. And wouldn't the process of getting certified attract attention to their illegal status?
Registering for the RRP in no way jeopardizes you with the INS, they have nothing to do with the process. The RRP is run by the EPA, not the Dept. of Homeland Security.
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