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Old 11-12-2016, 05:11 PM   #21
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i lost 2 painters in the last 2 months

being i only have 3 it was a hard hit, 1 to having a baby and 1 moving out of state

for the last 5 years my crew has been 100% woman

being a numbers guy losing each painter cost me an average of $3,500

not having help to complete job

going threw a few "painters"

training new help to our system

finding a good painter

slowing down bidding for like of good help

being confident in my crew to bid / accept a job

this all cost me money ... and sleepless nights

if i have to pay overnight shipping / rush fees for a shirt to have a good painter i can live with that

no disrespect but knowing the value in a good painter vs overnight shipping / rush order is a no brainier

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I'll do whatever it takes to keep good help these days....it's uncomfortably humbling.:/ fired a guy yesterday. Crappy work ethic, crappy finished product then apparently he flung paint off his brush while chasing his runs with a brush on smooth walls and it hit my boss. In the face. Game over. Next...
New guy starts Monday. Hope he is who he says he is and can do what he says he can do....we'll see.
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Old 11-13-2016, 12:30 AM   #23
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Vistaprint. Hands down. Fast, very high quality fabric, last for years.

Dirt cheap and you can design it yourself.
What does that suppose to mean "last for years"? Couple of houses sprayed in gray or green, the white is gone, unless your company is flexible and allows to have something else for spray job. I've seeing many wasted whites on the darker sprayed boxes.
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The more I think about this cd, why not just put in an order for his 5 short/long sleeve shirts in his size now and carry on? He'd have to wait about a week wearing a slightly larger shirt.

Considering the fact that you've mentioned several times in the past that you've had a hard time finding painters that do good work, show up for the interview, etc. If this guy's done all that and works hard, I'd do what I could to keep him around.
This is the pin point in the thread, how can you "find" and more to this "keep" a good guy if you give a ... and all of it about the guy who MAKES YOU MONEY? Dumb company to say the least. Let it drown.. well, they will anyway, unless... PT advise will advise.
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I'll do whatever it takes to keep good help these days....it's uncomfortably humbling.:/ fired a guy yesterday. Crappy work ethic, crappy finished product then apparently he flung paint off his brush while chasing his runs with a brush on smooth walls and it hit my boss. In the face. Game over. Next...
New guy starts Monday. Hope he is who he says he is and can do what he says he can do....we'll see.
Don't just see. If the person is willing, teach, show, explain.. if not, find another.
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What does that suppose to mean "last for years"?
Good quality fabric. Wasn't commenting on how filthy/not filthy they get.
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I'm all for uniformity. But, if it carries little value to the core purpose of a business, and actually begins to compromise it, it may be time for an owner to evaluate his or her priorities. In other words, emphasis on image can carry a lot of organizations if the business model can tolerate it, and even benefit from it. Others, may require more substance before image becomes all that important. Just an observation.
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I don't do large job sites where you've got loads of guys wandering around doing stuff, but wouldn't uniforms serve as an identifier in those situations as opposed to just image? When I helped a friend doing sprinkler installs in high rises in Vancouver he made me wear a company shirt. There were hundreds of guys on these jobs from all sorts of trades. He said he wanted the GC, site supers, security, etc. to know who I was working with if they saw me.
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An excellent point, identifier.
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An excellent point, identifier.
How about this, the guy dipping the roller in the bucket must be the painter. I mean, we're not talking about identifying an individual amongst a crowd of fans at a Journey concert.
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I think this conversation is more about a company owner marking their herd rather than identifying someone as the painter out of the thousands of workers at a residential NC. But the point is, if that's the owner's priority, you have to abide as the employee.
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How about this, the guy dipping the roller in the bucket must be the painter. I mean, we're not talking about identifying an individual amongst a crowd of fans at a Journey concert.
Ha, of course. But when you're going up the man lift on the outside of the building and there's many many guys in there working it'd be nice to know that you work for a company that's actually working in there rather than some scumbag coming in to rip off tools. Or if the GC sees a helper wearing a company shirt he can then ask where the boss is rather than seeing a kid wandering around with a Journey tshirt on.

I miss Journey.
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I think this conversation is more about a company owner marking their herd rather than identifying someone as the painter out of the thousands of workers at a residential NC. But the point is, if that's the owner's priority, you have to abide as the employee.
The direction of the conversation did waver a smidge. You're right about that. I honestly can't believe that some guy started citing labour law violations when Dave handed him a shirt that was a wee bit too big. Now that's funny.
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How about this, the guy dipping the roller in the bucket must be the painter. I mean, we're not talking about identifying an individual amongst a crowd of fans at a Journey concert.
And even in the concert crowd you may notice the painter by the looks of the close smeared up and covered in paint splatters.

PS: agree on marking their "property" with company logo on the chest and back of the clothing.

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This is what I pictured before i read that the shirt was too big...
(surprisingly hard to find a fat guy in a tiny shirt on google images btw.)
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Don't just see. If the person is willing, teach, show, explain.. if not, find another.
Duh. But you can't teach strong character. They either have it or they don't. If a person has a strong character and a strong enough skill set coming in, we'll train. Of not, beat feet.
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The guy should have said respectfully. "Can I wear something that fits me better?" I could have dealt with that. Wearing a shirt a size bigger than needed would not hurt anything. A strong personality I can handle, But threatening with labor laws issues, he would not be able to work for me. Those kind of attitudes rubs off on other people.
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I like how everyone started to view the situation in a positive light. Taking the road of ordering a custom size for a 'good' worker. I'm liking the outlook here. Yah I agree, if it was super tight or way over sized to the point of actually being hazardous, I could see a refusal of wearing it. But in actually...is the reality that bad? I doubt it.

Nothing personal against Mass., but sounds like a city slicker with an attitude. You need to start hiring some good ole country boys that can work all day and not complain about nothing. Perhaps recruit from Middlesex / Worcester area? Who knows, just a 2 cent thought/rant.

I would have canned the guy. Or around here, tell him you don't have any work. That's the slickest move around here. Your not fired...but I don't have any work this week...or next...or the following week also. Good luck with your unemployment claim...your still employed...just not working at the moment. Want to quit? Thanks..have a nice day.
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Let me ask you this. How many of you order 50-100 shirts a year? This is why we do 2 shirt orders a year. It gets expensive. Great example. Right now I am wearing an xlg shirt, my size is small-medium, I'm not crying, I put the shirt on and will suck it up.
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Let me ask you this. How many of you order 50-100 shirts a year? This is why we do 2 shirt orders a year. It gets expensive. Great example. Right now I am wearing an xlg shirt, my size is small-medium, I'm not crying, I put the shirt on and will suck it up.
We buy around that many plus some zipper hoodies. IIRC it adds about 18 cents overhead per man hour.
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