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Old 11-14-2016, 07:50 AM   #41
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Let me ask you this. How many of you order 50-100 shirts a year? This is why we do 2 shirt orders a year. It gets expensive. Great example. Right now I am wearing an xlg shirt, my size is small-medium, I'm not crying, I put the shirt on and will suck it up.
We order 100 shirts at a time. The more you order the cheaper. We started off with 100 of xl and 100 of L, now when we see the shirts getting low, roughly 20 left we order a 100 more of that size. We get them locally and the turn around time is a week.

Everyone is different. Some people don't leave their house without their shirt tucked into their pants, some have to wear black socks and some don't like shirt that don't fit. IMO your picking the wrong battle to fight. When you have his size, that's when you should start fighting. I do agree with you that when you have his size, he should wear your shirt without complaining.
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We have every size between medium and 3XL, in tshirts, sweat shirts and hoodies.

If you show up to work without a tshirt, you get one warning. Show up again and you go home for the day. One more time and you're fired.

We are a service and a brand. We sell safety and security. You see that in our uniforms.
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Old 11-14-2016, 03:39 PM   #43
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We buy around that many plus some zipper hoodies. IIRC it adds about 18 cents overhead per man hour.
Thank you. I forgot about hoodies. It's not the money at all. It's how we have always ordered our shirts. 2 times a year. This order I told Carly we need a lot more smaller shirts this time,
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We order as we need 4-5 times a year.

Mostly small and XL with the occasional order of large.
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We order 100 shirts at a time. The more you order the cheaper. We started off with 100 of xl and 100 of L, now when we see the shirts getting low, roughly 20 left we order a 100 more of that size. We get them locally and the turn around time is a week.

Everyone is different. Some people don't leave their house without their shirt tucked into their pants, some have to wear black socks and some don't like shirt that don't fit. IMO your picking the wrong battle to fight. When you have his size, that's when you should start fighting. I do agree with you that when you have his size, he should wear your shirt without complaining.
Great information. A lot of people forget local businesses will help other businesses with cheaper prices as well
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Great information. A lot of people forget local businesses will help other businesses with cheaper prices as well
I try to support local companies as much as possible. I get good quality shirts with our name across the back and our logo/name on the chest where $8.71 ea when we buy 100. I don't know what vista print would of been, but I was able to the pick the type of shirt I wanted from samples they had on hand and if there was ever a problem I can talk to someone face to face. Worth the extra dollar or two in my books.
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All in all it all comes down to the conclusion of being a jerk on workers side and being not prepared on employer's side. If you hire a lot, have a lot. If the guy starts talking about labor laws and sh...t like that in just a few days of being "employed" withing trial period.., why do I want to have this kind of aggravation? Let him be the bestest out of the bestest, I don't care, I need obedience, not ego. Good reading, lots of good info.
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Come on dude. If you have that requirement offer shirts that fit.

If the provided it shirts don't fit him, go to walmart and get him a few $5 white t shirts in the meantime.

I would've give you your shirts back too.
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All in all it all comes down to the conclusion of being a jerk on workers side and being not prepared on employer's side. If you hire a lot, have a lot. If the guy starts talking about labor laws and sh...t like that in just a few days of being "employed" withing trial period.., why do I want to have this kind of aggravation? Let him be the bestest out of the bestest, I don't care, I need obedience, not ego. Good reading, lots of good info.
I believe the Department of Industrial Relations, and state labor boards, would prefer "cooperative" rather than obedient. We're not dogs after all. *woof. lifting leg on monitor.*
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This is exactly what's wrong with people today. Millions out of work. A guy finally gets a job and complains a shirt is too big so he won't wear it and threatens legal recourse. I was actually on his side initially when I assumed that maybe he was a bigger fella and the shirts were too tight, but refusing to wear a shirt that's a bit big until the proper size fits you comes in? What a bunch of pansies we've all become. I honestly can't imagine bitching about wearing a loose fitting shirt if I was just hired for work, especially if I knew that the correct size would be coming soon. Tuck it in, buck up, and get to work.

I'm all for doing everything possible to keep a good worker, but a good worker starts with good moral fiber, good character. There's thousands of great painters around who are virtually unemployable. This guy sounds like one of them.
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I draw the line at some shirts.
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I see it as a control issue. A great painter with an attitude can be a detriment rather than a profit point. Sometimes one ego turns out to poison the atmosphere and soon you'll start seeing cracks in the dam.

I'd be curious to the status of commenters whether you are a company owner or employee. There is going to be a bias on the advice depending on which you view it from.
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I see it as a control issue. A great painter with an attitude can be a detriment rather than a profit point. Sometimes one ego turns out to poison the atmosphere and soon you'll start seeing cracks in the dam.

I'd be curious to the status of commenters whether you are a company owner or employee. There is going to be a bias on the advice depending on which you view it from.
I'm an employee, and I'll likely use your company T-Shirt to mop up the Kilz I spilled in the customer's driveway. In my opinion, it's my obligation, as an employee, to maintain a little tension between management and the rank and file. Besides, you need me to help bring you up to the next level of paint contracting.
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This is also a simple test. The large shirts are a smaller large and fit the person pretty good, like I said I have worn x-lg and lg with no complaints. One simple rule we have, wear your company shirt.

I know we can order any time we want to. We do 2 orders a year for a reason. Once the crew sees a box of shirts they all want to keep grabbing new ones. Sorry we give 5 shirts to each. Out of all of our hires we let go it's 5 shirts each gone so it adds up fast as some of you know.Also 90% we hire wear a lg or x-lg shirts.
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I see it as a control issue. A great painter with an attitude can be a detriment rather than a profit point. Sometimes one ego turns out to poison the atmosphere and soon you'll start seeing cracks in the dam.

I'd be curious to the status of commenters whether you are a company owner or employee. There is going to be a bias on the advice depending on which you view it from.
100% and totally agree about bias and profit point. Well, there are many variations though, it's called human factor.
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I've watched this thread since the inception. I'm almost agreeing with the employee, as regards the size of shirts. Perhaps he's a style-conscious fellow and isn't looking to wear a mumu.

Now, if you give someone a properly-fitted shirt or uniform, I'd expect them to wear it. Shirts are pretty inexpensive, I'd just have a selection of sizes on hand (which I try to do).

Hell, I give them to customers. I order embroidered ones from Queensboro. I like the clean look, although they probably don't do much for marketing. I just have the company logo on front.
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I've watched this thread since the inception. I'm almost agreeing with the employee, as regards the size of shirts. Perhaps he's a style-conscious fellow and isn't looking to wear a mumu.

Now, if you give someone a properly-fitted shirt or uniform, I'd expect them to wear it. Shirts are pretty inexpensive, I'd just have a selection of sizes on hand (which I try to do).

Hell, I give them to customers. I order embroidered ones from Queensboro. I like the clean look, although they probably don't do much for marketing. I just have the company logo on front.
Yeah, that's pretty much how I'm seeing this one. Dave, you say the guy does good work and shows up. That he cares about his appearance on the job is really a plus. I've seen enough of the guys who think their blue sweats, sleeve-less tee shirts and Miller-Lite cap is overcome by their "amazing" talent in the paint biz.
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[QUOTE=slinger58;1321938]Yeah, that's pretty much how I'm seeing this one. Dave, you say the guy does good work and shows up. That he cares about his appearance on the job is really a plus. I've seen enough of the guys who think their blue sweats, sleeve-less tee shirts and Miller-Lite cap is overcome by their "amazing" talent in the paint biz.[/QUOTE]


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