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KLaw · 06-30-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by NEPS.US

Holy Mackerel!

Hey Putz: you forgot to add in the garage deal. You are slippin'!!!

NEPS.US · 06-30-2009, 08:33 PM

Wow Plain ....nothing else to do on a non-raining day in MA at 2:52 on a Tuesday? If you put as much energy into bitchin' and moaning about customers, painters and your competition you would be up to your eyeballs in work. Stop over analyzing everything and go out and paint. Your not going to become a millionare painting houses. Get over it. Go paint and be happy.

KLaw · 06-30-2009, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by NEPS.US

Wow Plain ....nothing else to do on a non-raining day in MA at 2:52 on a Tuesday? If you put as much energy into bitchin' and moaning about customers, painters and your competition you would be up to your eyeballs in work. Stop over analyzing everything and go out and paint. Your not going to become a millionare painting houses. Get over it. Go paint and be happy.

As much as I don't like you, I still gotta appreciate your advice. I'll be beating the streets tomorrow - again. It's all about getting your reputation out there and I do tend to get caught up in the numbers and want to standardize the work as much as possible. Firm quotes = reliable / trustwothy proposals.

KLaw · 06-30-2009, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by fresh coat

As much as I don't like you, I still gotta appreciate your advice. I'll be beating the streets tomorrow - again. It's all about getting your reputation out there and I do tend to get caught up in the numbers and want to standardize the work as much as possible. Firm quotes = reliable / trustwothy proposals.

Ooops: I thought you addressed this to me (surely, you can understand why?) But, you didn't. Sorry -where is Sev?

**RCP** · 06-30-2009, 08:46 PM

NEPS, two birds with one stone!

KLaw · 06-30-2009, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RCP

NEPS, two birds with one stone!

NEPS.US · 06-30-2009, 09:16 PM

BrushJockey · 06-30-2009, 09:22 PM

I think it is easy to assume that most here are doing the same kind of work you are. But not true.
As a long time one ( or two) guy shop specializing in repaints,hanging, plaster repair, problem solving and sometimes hand holding, and having some of the same customers for many many years, they call with a job and i just come and do it at T/m. I feel that the level of trust on both parts is a sacred thing almost, so I'm brutally honest, not padding. But I never loose money, never make above "mission".
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Dave Mac · 06-30-2009, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by NEPS.US

Wow Plain ....nothing else to do on a non-raining day in MA at 2:52 on a Tuesday? If you put as much energy into bitchin' and moaning about customers, painters and your competition you would be up to your eyeballs in work. Stop over analyzing everything and go out and paint. Your not going to become a millionare painting houses. Get over it. Go paint and be happy.

what are you talking about Neps, you can easily become a millionaire painting houses, just takes about twenty years of saving every month, and painting 40 hrs a week, and not being at home at 253 in the middle of the week complaining.

Im starting to like your post lol

tsunamicontract · 06-30-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by fresh coat

As much as I don't like you, I still gotta appreciate your advice. I'll be beating the streets tomorrow - again. It's all about getting your reputation out there and I do tend to get caught up in the numbers and want to standardize the work as much as possible. Firm quotes = reliable / trustwothy proposals.

Actually Fresh, your reputation is supposed to PREcede you, telling someone about your reputation just isnt a reputation.

I separate my time and materials and for some jobs I include a line about procurement and office work stuff (part of over head I know). I mark all materials up to approx retail (ok I round) and make money based on my contractor discount. I figure if they were to paint it themselves, this is what they would pay for paint so that is completely fair.

I am starting to think I should figure out what the job will cost me, add on overhead % and then add on profit % to figure out my total proposal price, that would eliminate all that. But then as I one man shop currently do I factor myself as a labor burden or salary me and throw it into overhead? If I did the latter I would have no labor burden so that would be a little strange, you do you add a percent to almost nothing?

But this is the way I currently do it and I don't think it is the least bit professional. My customers like it that they know what their checks break down for.

1977corey · 07-01-2009, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by NEPS.US

Wow Plain ....nothing else to do on a non-raining day in MA at 2:52 on a Tuesday? If you put as much energy into bitchin' and moaning about customers, painters and your competition you would be up to your eyeballs in work. Stop over analyzing everything and go out and paint. Your not going to become a millionare painting houses. Get over it. Go paint and be happy.

wow best response i've read in DAYS

1977corey · 07-01-2009, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by fresh coat

As much as I don't like you, I still gotta appreciate your advice. I'll be beating the streets tomorrow - again. It's all about getting your reputation out there and I do tend to get caught up in the numbers and want to standardize the work as much as possible. Firm quotes = reliable / trustwothy proposals.

How can you say you don't "like" someone? Have you ever met him? Probably not, myself, i've had my differences with a few regualrs here on Painttalk, but to say " As much as i don't like you "
What about YOU? your no different than Certapro,Collegepainters,etc, you BOUGHT your way in buddy, your a coward for not starting from SCRATCH, success or no success, i'd be more PROUD of my success or FAILURE, becuase i TRIED, instead of buying my way in this trade, you make me sick.
I don't like YOU

(Also, where is that retarted logo you used to use when you first came here to Painttalk,com? You only changed it cuz a few gave you SH*T about it)

premierpainter · 07-01-2009, 06:25 AM

Plain- call me the scum of the Earth. We show the difference in Labor and Materials. In NJ we tax labor and not the materials.
You have to settle down and worry about yourself and your business. Make sure that you hold on tight as your circling the drain. It is also funny that you keep hearing about these people always talking about other painting contractors. In nearly 20 years, I have not overheard anyone talking about how much the prices vary from one guy to the next....you seem to be in the right place at the right time to hear all of that BS...at a doctor's office...please

tsunamicontract · 07-01-2009, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by premierpainter

.you seem to be in the right place at the right time to hear all of that BS...at a doctor's office...please

All those MEK baths he took with Johnthepainter must be catching up to him

KLaw · 07-01-2009, 08:47 AM

[quote=1977corey;79504]How can you say you don't "like" someone? Have you ever met him? Probably not, myself, i've had my differences with a few regualrs here on Painttalk, but to say " As much as i don't like you "

I only repond to the 1st part. I did not mean that I literally don't like the cat because I have no idea who he is as a person. To be politically correct I should have said something like "even though I am not very receptive to your comments towards me...". My mistake. Although, I am pretty confident NEPS could care less what I think about him.

KLaw · 07-01-2009, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by tsunamicontract

Actually Fresh, your reputation is supposed to PREcede you, telling someone about your reputation just isnt a reputation.

I separate my time and materials and for some jobs I include a line about procurement and office work stuff (part of over head I know). I mark all materials up to approx retail (ok I round) and make money based on my contractor discount. I figure if they were to paint it themselves, this is what they would pay for paint so that is completely fair.

I am starting to think I should figure out what the job will cost me, add on overhead % and then add on profit % to figure out my total proposal price, that would eliminate all that. But then as I one man shop currently do I factor myself as a labor burden or salary me and throw it into overhead? If I did the latter I would have no labor burden so that would be a little strange, you do you add a percent to almost nothing?

But this is the way I currently do it and I don't think it is the least bit professional. My customers like it that they know what their checks break down for.

Agree, your reputation is supposed to precede you. We are still building our reputaion. So, a lot of the times my reputation strenthens during and after the job. It precededs on some jobs not all though.

Back to the topic at hand. The more I think about it the more difficult it would be for us to include materials on the proposals. I like your idea of pricing it at their cost but I couldn't make that work for us. One of my selling points is: since we use SW exclusively, we recieve a good bulk discount. This savings gets past down to you (the client). I couldn't use this point and then put the retail price on the proposal. On typical re-paints, we breakdown the job by rooms, walls, trim, ceilings,(sometimes prep work) on the proposal followed by a price for each.