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Old 12-03-2016, 03:24 PM   #21
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Do you really want to wait until the carpet guy finishes his job?...Those guys always want to come in before us but I won't let them.Good carpet installers can do a good job without marking up the walls if they really HAVE TO. I mean, they love when they can lay the carpet up on the wall and cut it that way. It saves them a lot of time and they subsequently earn more money. I always balk at it and usually get my way.

I'm a re-painter not a NC contractor.
I think just like in wallcovering installation, carpet installers have to bring the material up onto the wall for an exact cut and the extra material to tuck.

I think electricians are far more destructive to a painted surface than any other trade. And I think they purposely smear grime on their hands then touch as much of a painted surface as possible.
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Old 12-03-2016, 04:16 PM   #22
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Trade damage is a never ending battle - no one wins. Some GCs understand, and others think you should do it for free. In the past few years it has become common practice for them to request a "Delayed 3rd Coat", after other trades have installed their finishes. This of course means you will have increased costs for added protection, as well as reduced production rates. If this is understood from the outset, and everyone bids the same way, then no harm no foul.
Another approach is to establish an Allowance for trade damage going in.
Short of these two conditions, I always exclude trade damage, based on the fact that, one it's not damage we caused, and two there is no way to quantify it before the fact. Keep in mind that just because you stipulate this in your scope and clarifications, it means nothing unless it is reflected in the contract you sign.
What ever the case may be, I would encourage everyone to reference the PDCA Standard P1 in your proposals, which establishes guidelines for Trade Damage, designed to protect you the painter. Please see attached.

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This thread cracks me up! I'm sure we could all trade some awesome stories. One time my guys got in a p1ssing match with the Russian counter top dudes. They ripped down our masking after they came barging in like they were the only trade there.

Well, that didn't sit well with our alpha male painter who thought the only appropriate response to that kind of disrespect would be to start sprayinging conversion varnish in the same room. The kind that burns through carbon filters every half hour.

Have you ever witnessed a furious Russian? War about ensued. Apparently I was the only one there with any people skills to mediate before fists started flying. Good times.

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This thread cracks me up! I'm sure we could all trade some awesome stories. One time my guys got in a p1ssing match with the Russian counter top dudes. They ripped down our masking after they came barging in like they were the only trade there.

Well, that didn't sit well with our alpha male painter who thought the only appropriate response to that kind of disrespect would be to start sprayinging conversion varnish in the same room. The kind that burns through carbon filters every half hour.

Have you ever witnessed a furious Russian? War about ensued. Apparently I was the only one there with any people skills to mediate before fists started flying. Good times.

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That is a problem the GC created. Every trade must know when they can do their job. Problems arise when there is no communication. If the GC gave the go-ahead to the painters and another trade comes in and takes over your space, it's not an easy discussion. It can easily escalate into a fight if the other trades won't stand down.

Tempers flare because money is lost when you are suddenly thrown to the street. Not every painting company can just take the crew to another site at the drop of a hat. Boys will be boys.

But I agree, it's no reason to get violent. One bad decision can affect the rest of your life.
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I think just like in wallcovering installation, carpet installers have to bring the material up onto the wall for an exact cut and the extra material to tuck.

I think electricians are far more destructive to a painted surface than any other trade. And I think they purposely smear grime on their hands then touch as much of a painted surface as possible.
In our experience, carpet installers have won the prize for most egregious damage (an entire floor worth of painted door frames scraped down to bare wood from 6' AFF down), while electricians are the most reliably destructive.

There's nothing like looking at a finished 16-foot ceiling with dozens of recessed cans... and seeing dirty handprints by each fixture.

We finally found an electrical contractor who makes sure his employees clean up their trash (wrappers, insulation, wire cutoffs...AKA "Electricians' Spoor") and wash their hands. I was tempted to adopt him.
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[QUOTE=CApainter;1325170]I think just like in wallcovering installation, carpet installers have to bring the material up onto the wall for an exact cut and the extra material to tuck.

I think electricians are far more destructive to a painted surface than any other trade. And I think they purposely smear grime on their hands then touch as much of a painted surface as possible.[/QUOTE]

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Just the blade. I wouldn't want to damage someones stuff. I've thought about it.
My thoughts exactly.
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