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Old 02-08-2010, 03:25 PM   #1
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I am painting a kitchen next week. The existing paint is a semi gloss oil. The HO wants me to use latex for the finish coat. I want to get some opinions on what primer to use.

I have used Zinsser Odorless before, works ok but REALLY splatters.
Bullseye 1-2-3 mmmmm just can't bring myself to put this over oil I know I know it's gotta cure etc., but when it scrapes off the next day with my fingernail I just can't handle that....same with ICI Gripper.
Zinsser Cover Stain, never used it but apparently it STINKS!
Zinsser B-I-N, I can't handle the STINK and it's SO watery!
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Guess I'm looking for the "MIRACLE Primer"

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I would scuff sand and prep accordingly and prime with an oil primer like you have already mentioned.

Are we talking walls or trim? Not that it matters I am just curious.

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You talking walls or the cabinets?
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I really like SW Adhesive primer (water base). It brushes and rolls well. Claims to adhere to oil finishes without sanding. I still scuff sanded, but it locked on great.
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I'm painting the walls and trim but NOT the cabinets.
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you could try insl-x primelock.. excellent oil primer
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Like Workaholic says, use a quick drying oil base primer, it'll reek alot less.

Because a kitchen is so suseptable to surface contamination from grease and oil, a water base primer may be pushing its limits on this type of surface. And do you ever get the walls and ceilings that clean with TSP? Unless, there is an environmental concern like a homeowners sensitivity to solvents, or small chidren present, an oil base primer would give you the best insurance for adhesion.
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"suceptable" is that how it's spelled? I think some vapors breached my respirator today
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thanks for the replies I think I'm gonna go Zinsser Odorless despite the heavy splatter problem, HO has gone ahead and put in new flooring BEFFORE painting...man I HATE when they do that! Oh well working per hour on this one(45) so I don't mind masking off the floor.
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thanks for the replies I think I'm gonna go Zinsser Odorless despite the heavy splatter problem,
Still plan on wearing your respirator and setting up a box fan sucking fumes out the window.

Oderless doesn't necessarily mean it won't still fry your nervous system, it just means you won't smell it while it is happening.
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Still plan on wearing your respirator and setting up a box fan sucking fumes out the window.

Oderless doesn't necessarily mean it won't still fry your nervous system, it just means you won't smell it while it is happening.
Good advice.
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I just finished a job that was all oil walls, and we had to prime' I used cloverdale "foundation coat" worked great, and it's waterborne.
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...it scrapes off the next day with my fingernail I just can't handle that....same with ICI Gripper.

Did you scuff the walls when you used the gripper? it should have worked.
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I am painting a kitchen next week. The existing paint is a semi gloss oil. The HO wants me to use latex for the finish coat. I want to get some opinions on what primer to use.


Bullseye 1-2-3 mmmmm just can't bring myself to put this over oil I know I know it's gotta cure etc., but when it scrapes off the next day with my fingernail I just can't handle that....same with ICI Gripper.


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You are telling me if you pole sand those semigloss oil walls, clean up the dust, that the Gripper will come off with your fingernails? BULL SHEET!

You have no experience with that primer if you think that's the case - that stuff locks onto window glass for crying out loud.

Are there any real painters left in the painting world anymore?
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@Dan - not every wall is a smooth wall that is sandable. Textured walls or semi-rough plaster walls are fairly common, and almost the rule in many areas outside of the NE. I've seen that dogmatic answer before and it is just not true in every circumstance.

@Sir Paint - I personally don't like the Zinnser Odor Less as I didnt think it sanded well or bonded well. I typically will use the Bullseye Odorless or just the BM Fast Drying Alkyd.
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I think the only waterbourne I've felt close to being comfortable putting over oil is Insl-X STIX Bonding Primer. Still has a stink to it and a little thin but bonds great.
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@Dan - not every wall is a smooth wall that is sandable. Textured walls or semi-rough plaster walls are fairly common, and almost the rule in many areas outside of the NE. I've seen that dogmatic answer before and it is just not true in every circumstance.
Well that's a good point - then I'd think about a TSP wash - then gripper.
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Try the SW Adhesive Primer......I've tried all the ones listed above, this is my new favorite!
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I like to use Poly-Prep1 wb primer for oil-latex conversions, it rolls well and passes scratch and adhesion tests with flying colours. HOWEVER! Last summer I did a 50 year old plaster kitchen which I TSP'd liberally and when I went to roll my wall paint over this primer it fish-eyed horribly, the grease in the wall near the stove came right through the primer. Since this is a kitchen you're working on I would take the recommendation to use oil.
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I use a lot of Zinser Cover Stain. Had good luck with it, will switch when it runs out.

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