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Old 04-19-2007, 08:34 PM   #1
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hey brothers in paint,

I was recently painting some flat metal doors with a new product atleast for me it is called advanced oil from ICI. oil in water.

What do you all think of this product?

I rolled them with a mini foam roller and in the second coat i applied a little less than a cup of water to a gallon of paint. But man it was leaving some major bubbles. They never went away until finish dried they poped and left a crater. first coat left minimum bubbles.

alright I'm new using the foam roller and the advanced oil.

this will go for future refrence

thanks in advanced

jmt

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I never heard of that paint so this may be a stupid question, but why are you putting water in oil based paint?

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I never use a foam roller. Maybe to apply stain or poly, but never paint.

I've never used the ICI paint. Is it just an alkyd modified acrylic, or is it one of those goofy "paints like oil, cleans up with water" types?

The former works foine for me. If its the latter, well they suck IMHO. Way back Zinsser come out with a product called H2Oil, and I gave it a try. It sucked.
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MANY paint chemists have tried to mix oil and water. AND, a few of us have been semi-successful at it (at best).

Basically, we add specialty surfactants to adjust the HLB (hydrophilic lipophilic balance). I know... I know... GREEK! Keep reading... I promise this will get better.

Oil and water do not mix... unless you lower the surface tension of the water. And, you've probably lowered surface tension of water before like when you used Dawn Dishwashing detergent or Tide.

Lowering the surface tension can have one unpleasant side effect in paint... it can stabilize foam. That means it makes it hard for the foam (bubbles) to break. The question here is whether extra time would allow the air (bubbles) to come out of the film before the film closes.

So, if you like the paint (other than the poor film appearance) you might try to add a bit of propylene glycol to it. If it mixes in alright (which I suspect it will) then it will give the paint a little more open time to get the bubbles out before it closes up.
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Hehe, now THAT, is deep info.
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Read it carefully. There will be a quiz on Monday.
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Oh great, I didn't know there was gonna be a test
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Ok... now for the quiz...

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But enough about that

Sorry, I haven't used any Oil In Water paints
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yep they are making hybrid paints, i have not used them but saw them in ici also.
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Sorry, I haven't used any Oil In Water paints
Are you sure? BM exterior latex is waterbase with linseed oil!
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MoorGlo/SoftGloss?
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BenMoore exterior SoftGloss and LowLustre are alkyd-fortified. Has the oil been added to increase the bond/adhesion factor or for the longevity of the finish? Or did they just add it to make cleaning brushes a pain in the neck?

Also I tried H2O primer from Zinsser. It seemed to seal well and dried rather quickly; also it sands out nicely and worked for me in colder weather (40 degrees). They say it is a "true" oil base which remains flexible for exterior use. It is somewhat of a pain to work with and although it says clean-up with soap & water, the brushes look like garbage after you clean 'em according to the directions. I'll let you know next year when I look at it again.
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The advanced oil product from ICI recommends Latex Extender from XIM. It is on the AO can label. Should go a long way to solve your problems. Advanced Oil is alkyd in a water based emulsion.
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Oh my poor brain! What is all this talk about mixing oil and latex? Maybe I am too old school, but what is wrong with using either or? In the old days I used oil base paint, mainly because my employer thought that it was more durable than latex of the day. Now latex is high quality and oil is for special applications, right? What is the point of trying to mix two substances that by nature DO NOT MIX ? I guess I still subscribe to the theory that one should keep things simple. Am I wrong here? Happy painting, Paul_R.
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I wouldn't say you are wrong... but... let's think about it. Americans (just like other cultures) always want the best of both worlds. We want our cars to have some muscle but get good gas mileage. So, we have hybrid cars.

Painters want the look and properties of oil but want to meet VOC regulations and (more importantly) they don't want to wait so long for it to dry.

So, if we can create paints that give the best of the 'oil world' with the speed of the 'water world', we've combined the best of both worlds.

And, as it stands right now, there are just some things that we have not been able to get water systems to do yet.
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Anyone ever used BM gloss urethane? When you put it on with a roller it bubbles like crazy, but when you roll it out the bubbles go away.
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hey brothers in paint,

I was recently painting some flat metal doors with a new product atleast for me it is called advanced oil from ICI. oil in water.

What do you all think of this product?

I rolled them with a mini foam roller and in the second coat i applied a little less than a cup of water to a gallon of paint. But man it was leaving some major bubbles. They never went away until finish dried they poped and left a crater. first coat left minimum bubbles.

alright I'm new using the foam roller and the advanced oil.

this will go for future refrence

thanks in advanced

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Dump the foam roller. I don't know how this compares to the water born poly's, but they bubble notoriously.
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Dump the foam roller. I don't know how this compares to the water born poly's, but they bubble notoriously.
ditto


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