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Old 07-17-2016, 09:34 PM   #1
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Bidding a new tract home repaint that client wants a medium neutral shade, low-sheen finish, on all interior walls. Walls are currently finished with typical builder flat white that will suck up material. It's been a few years since I've done a new tract home repaint, but in the past I've had good one coat coverage without any flashing, but the products I used then are no longer on the market. Does anyone have a good recommendation for a low sheen enamel that won't flash on me if I don't keep a wet edge? I'll be brushing and rolling the home. Cost is not an issue if the product performs well. Thanks for any advice!
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Bidding a new tract home repaint that client wants a medium neutral shade, low-sheen finish, on all interior walls. Walls are currently finished with typical builder flat white that will suck up material. It's been a few years since I've done a new tract home repaint, but in the past I've had good one coat coverage without any flashing, but the products I used then are no longer on the market. Does anyone have a good recommendation for a low sheen enamel that won't flash on me if I don't keep a wet edge? I'll be brushing and rolling the home. Cost is not an issue if the product performs well. Thanks for any advice!
If cost isn't an issue why not do two coats?

If all your going to do is one coat then Aura or regal from Benny more are good. Diamond matte from Dulux/ICI is one of my favorites.
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If cost isn't an issue why not do two coats?

If all your going to do is one coat then Aura or regal from Benny more are good. Diamond matte from Dulux/ICI is one of my favorites.
Was going to say the same thing about just bidding for two coats. Problem solved. Only time we bid one coat is when doing a refresh job of same color and sheen.
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The question was regarding paint recommendations for a particular job and not for general business advice fellas. The cost of materials is not an issue, but time constraints and other factors make two coats not practical here. Any experience specifically with a product that doesn't flash when a single coat is applied to a porous surface would be great.
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The question was regarding paint recommendations for a particular job and not for general business advice fellas. The cost of materials is not an issue, but time constraints and other factors make two coats not practical here. Any experience specifically with a product that doesn't flash when a single coat is applied to a porous surface would be great.
I gave you my recommendations.
If it's possible to look back at some of my other comments you'll see that I don't like Benjamin Moore, so the fact that I'm recommending it for a one coater should speak volumes.
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Aura, maybe, but I would not bet on it. I don't believe they is ANY one coat paint, although the bear guarantees their Marque, so you might take them up on that.
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In general, one coat is misunderstood. It's only possible following manufacturer's instructions to the letter. If you already work a product you prefer, consider an extender, some call them a retarder. Penetrol is the one I'm used to. Try to control the environment if it is interior work- Air Conditioning is great. <><
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I have found that it is tough to get even sheen out of Aura in one coat, even over the same color.
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Aura, maybe, but I would not bet on it. I don't believe they is ANY one coat paint, although the bear guarantees their Marque, so you might take them up on that.
And since it's a primer too, that should stop the existing coat of paint from sucking up the new one.
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No paint, whatever quality or brand, can or will guarantee one coat "holdout" of any sheen on flat painted, never primed drywall. They will tell you it will, just to sell it to you, but when all is said and done they won't stand behind their product in that application. Don't be the one who takes it upon themselves to warranty it, especially since the paint companies will leave you hanging without a doubt. Certain paints "may" work, but it is a crapshoot the paint companies won't be responsible for. You will. And fyi, the Marquee Data sheet says one coat to prime and one coat to finish on bare drywall. That is, two coats at 6.5-8 mils wet which is equivalent mil thickness to one coat of primer and two coats of normal paint. Sounds like a great labor savings until you find out that it is virtually impossible to apply at 6.5-8 mils wet.
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And fyi, Marquee will not properly adhere to clean bare drywall after two full coats and a 3 week cure. It will pass a standard cross hatch adhesion test but will peel very easily along tape lines and any scratches.
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And fyi, Marquee will not properly adhere to clean bare drywall after two full coats and a 3 week cure. It will pass a standard cross hatch adhesion test but will peel very easily along tape lines and any scratches.
But it'll come off in one piece right?
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But it'll come off in one piece right?
almost! That's part of the problem, whether they'll ever admit to it or not. The paint cures too rubbery and won't break when you try to lift it. Most of the "paint and primer" paints are that way except for lines like Manor Hall Timeless and Durations, which you can only get off in tiny chunks. They are crosslinking acrylics so the chemical bond is much stronger.
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And fyi, Marquee will not properly adhere to clean bare drywall after two full coats and a 3 week cure. It will pass a standard cross hatch adhesion test but will peel very easily along tape lines and any scratches.
Hopefully you realize I was being sarcastic in post 9.
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Hopefully you realize I was being sarcastic in post 9.
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And since it's a primer too, that should stop the existing coat of paint from sucking up the new one.
you would think
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I would try Aura Matte. I know you said "low sheen", but if you could get away with a matte the Aura might work. It's pretty flat for a matte paint, and not prone to flash even over porous surfaces. Need to put a lot on to get a good one coat, 6mil or so, but it can work.


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I would try Aura Matte. I know you said "low sheen", but if you could get away with a matte the Aura might work. It's pretty flat for a matte paint, and not prone to flash even over porous surfaces. Need to put a lot on to get a good one coat, 6mil or so, but it can work.


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I'm not sure he will be able to get tract home pricing on Aura though. Marquee either. He's pretty much stuck with promar 400 tops. And therein lies the problem. Everyone expects one coat color and hold-out with an $8 a gallon paint. No matter how many times the paint store guy or the commercials tell you it will it just isn't going to happen.
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