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Old 12-24-2015, 12:57 AM   #1
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Question To prime or not to prime... That is the Question.

I'll give you a topic...

We do a lot of New Construction. I have been in a debate with just about everyone on whether or not it is worth the time to prime bare drywall. We currently dump about 40 gallons on a 2000 sq. ft. house and back-roll. The walls look great. I know that we could get an even smoother finish, plus use less top coat if we applied a split coat or tinted prime coat prior to our finish coat.

What are your thoughts? I use Sherwin Williams almost exclusively. Primer would be SW 152 Pro Primer, top coat SW Contractors.

...Go ahead, discuss amongst yourselves. I'm feeling a bit verklempt.
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What kind of NC are you doing? Track builder vs custom builder is what's going to make the difference. Way back in the day when did a smaller track builder it was spray and back rolled.

At the same time we did a custom build where we primed and painted. Both were happy with the product but they also had different expectations and prices they were willing to spend.



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I use sw but not those products. We do remodels and rez repaints .If 152 is pva then why bother...I'd go with multi or pb depending on top coat sheens. Little more expensive for primer but if im going with egg or satin top coats I like to start building sheen (and color) out the gate. Less headache later.
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Mid-High end Tract homes, starting in the low-mid $300's. Walls and Ceilings are Satin.
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prime em(walls)
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Mid-High end Tract homes, starting in the low-mid $300's. Walls and Ceilings are Satin.
If it's satin I'd definitely be priming.
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Mid-High end Tract homes, starting in the low-mid $300's. Walls and Ceilings are Satin.
Who specced satin for ceilings and why?

Just curious, I'm sure it looks great.

But it seems rather unorthodox to have every ceiling in a home shine and bounce so much light. (I'm not even sure I would go satin for all walls if I could only have one sheen.)
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One thing I've learned since I joined this forum is that there must be some substantial regional differences in sheen choices. In all my days of painting I don't think I've ever seen more than a handful of walls painted in satin and never ever seen a ceiling done.
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I pity the fool who don't use primer.
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Definitely a regional thing. Tract homes walls here are eggshell, ceilings flat, trim semi or higher. Trim is preprimed 1 coat only. Walls get tinted primer and ceiling get primed and another top coat. Not that my area is all upscale but the cheapest new home will run in the $250k range. The 250k to 350k are the homes I avoid. Not that I don't do them but its always same nickel and dime ****. They want a high quality finish but don't want to pay for it.
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We do a lot of New Construction. I have been in a debate with just about everyone on whether or not it is worth the time to prime bare drywall. We currently dump about 40 gallons on a 2000 sq. ft. house and back-roll. The walls look great. I know that we could get an even smoother finish, plus use less top coat if we applied a split coat or tinted prime coat prior to our finish coat.



What are your thoughts? I use Sherwin Williams almost exclusively. Primer would be SW 152 Pro Primer, top coat SW Contractors.



...Go ahead, discuss amongst yourselves. I'm feeling a bit verklempt.

If what your doing now is working, why change?

I don't see how you could improve on your system without adding another coat. Going from two finish coats, to one prime and one finish isn't going to improve anything.

If your thinking to save money by using some cheap PVA as the first coat, that's likely to actually reduce the quality of your finished product.

I still thing there is a lot of dogma involved in how we approach drywall. It's just not that challenging of a surface to coat.


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I would look for a cheap primer that works. Zinnser, USG, and Tough coat have some inexpensive primers that give good results. Pva sealers just don't have enough body and spray like garbage.
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I apply alot of eggshell due to family's with children not being able to properly clean flat finish walls or they just get dirty to quick. I never usually prime unless it's a deep base color or the walls are greasy,nicotine or something like that. I just put 2 coats of eggshell and go to the next. I use only SW paints Pro Mar 200 for walls and Solo semi for trim.
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Best Painting Practices typically include priming all bare substrates. Anything less, is usually considered the painting contractor's personal preference.
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Bare substrates always . I think I got off topic in my earlier reply. I was commenting on priming for eggshell and satin finishes. Oops
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Why are you asking? If you are using Promar 200 and everyone is happy with it why do something different? Your not going to change anyway.
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If what your doing now is working, why change?

I don't see how you could improve on your system without adding another coat. Going from two finish coats, to one prime and one finish isn't going to improve anything.

If your thinking to save money by using some cheap PVA as the first coat, that's likely to actually reduce the quality of your finished product.

I still thing there is a lot of dogma involved in how we approach drywall. It's just not that challenging of a surface to coat.


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I learned this mistake recently. I'm usually doing repaints, but had a job where new drywall was installed. I went the PVA route. It cost me time and money, I had coverage issues when applying topcoats, etc. PVA and Promar 200 will not be a combination in my painting arsenal any more.
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I find it very sad that whether it be a tract home, or a high-end custom, that some choose (or are forced to) not prime new drywall. I wish the standards in our industry were higher. Nowadays it just seems that low price blow n go is the norm for NC.
Not bashing anyone specific here, just sayin.
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I find it very sad that whether it be a tract home, or a high-end custom, that some choose (or are forced to) not prime new drywall. I wish the standards in our industry were higher. Nowadays it just seems that low price blow n go is the norm for NC.
Not bashing anyone specific here, just sayin.
NC is BOOMING around here. Everyday I see 100's of gallons of Painters Edge hand trucked out of SW, not one gallon of primer goes along with it.
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NC is BOOMING around here. Everyday I see 100's of gallons of Painters Edge hand trucked out of SW, not one gallon of primer goes along with it.
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