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Old 09-24-2008, 11:54 AM   #1
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I would like some feedback on how different professional estimate the cost for removal of wallpaper. Also, what systems do you use to remove the paper. In my experience, no wallpaper removal job is the same and several different techniques for removal may be required.

I'm solid on calculating painting production rates, but wallpaper removal will eat my lunch if I don't factor in enough time for stripping and wall repair if required.

Is the best plan to just charge an hourly labor rate for removal time? Any feedback? Thanks

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Well thank God we don't have much of it left on the west coast.Every now and then I run across it.I just do a T/M on it if I do.Like you said you never know how it is going to come off.People seem to understand so far.I have noticed that if people seem to want to know how much it will cost from the walk around, then they can't afford it anyway.

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We figure out the best case scenario and then the worse case scenario. Tell them it'll be somewhere inbetween the two, and charge time & materials.
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what systems do you use to remove the paper.

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You could be removing paper in one 12 x 12 room and need to use all the methods involved. If you have to bid, go with he worst case scenario.
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what systems do you use to remove the paper.

http://www.safeandsimple.com/
Steamer, chemicals, scrapers, razors, finger nails....the list goes on. I hate when, no matter what method, the sh*t comes off in dime size pieces.
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Some of the jobs we've done it would've been easier, faster, and cost ALOT less to just rip the wall down & start from scratch.
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hanging 3/8ths rock over is much, much cheaper and less messy than full tear out. Probably cheaper than removal in some situations.
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It's disappointing that so many have such trouble removing wallcoveings. Supposedly, through an industry study, difficulty in removal is the main factor why the WC industry has faced over an 80% decline (4.4 billion in sales in '83, 659 million in 2006).

Unless some azzwipe hack has not prepped the walls or has painted over existing wallpaper, stripping should NOT be exceptionally difficult.

I figure my AVERAGE is 1 sf per minute, and that's from the first drop down to the final vacuum. My highest is .75 sf/min and the lowest is 1.2 sf/min.

I've posted before about procedures, if any of you have specific problems facing you, I'll be happy to give a few little tricks.

But the BIGGEST tip I can give is, LET THE SOLUTION DO THE WORK. DO NOT SPRAY AND SCRAPE.

Spray, wait, spray again, wait, repeat until paper is loose. OH, and when estimating, do a test.
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It's disappointing that so many have such trouble removing wallcoveings. Supposedly, through an industry study, difficulty in removal is the main factor why the WC industry has faced over an 80% decline (4.4 billion in sales in '83, 659 million in 2006).

Unless some azzwipe hack has not prepped the walls or has painted over existing wallpaper, stripping should NOT be exceptionally difficult.

I figure my AVERAGE is 1 sf per minute, and that's from the first drop down to the final vacuum. My highest is .75 sf/min and the lowest is 1.2 sf/min.

I've posted before about procedures, if any of you have specific problems facing you, I'll be happy to give a few little tricks.

But the BIGGEST tip I can give is, LET THE SOLUTION DO THE WORK. DO NOT SPRAY AND SCRAPE.

Spray, wait, spray again, wait, repeat until paper is loose. OH, and when estimating, do a test.
My solution is to paint over it! (just kidding arch,)
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My solution is to paint over it! (just kidding arch,)
You'd better be.

I drove down to Asheville last week, I can just as easily drive down to MD and serve you up a big ole can o' All American

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It's disappointing that so many have such trouble removing wallcoveings. Supposedly, through an industry study, difficulty in removal is the main factor why the WC industry has faced over an 80% decline (4.4 billion in sales in '83, 659 million in 2006).

Unless some azzwipe hack has not prepped the walls or has painted over existing wallpaper, stripping should NOT be exceptionally difficult.

I figure my AVERAGE is 1 sf per minute, and that's from the first drop down to the final vacuum. My highest is .75 sf/min and the lowest is 1.2 sf/min.

I've posted before about procedures, if any of you have specific problems facing you, I'll be happy to give a few little tricks.

But the BIGGEST tip I can give is, LET THE SOLUTION DO THE WORK. DO NOT SPRAY AND SCRAPE.

Spray, wait, spray again, wait, repeat until paper is loose. OH, and when estimating, do a test.
I have no problems removing properly done paper, but that is apearing to be rare around here. We get so many that weren't primed so you destroy the boards getting it off. Also alot of old plaster. All will be going great then the wall falls apart. One of our recent removals, did a test & it looked like cake. Was thinking 3 weeks for the job. No kidding it end up being about 2 months.
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One of our recent removals, did a test & it looked like cake. Was thinking 3 weeks for the job. No kidding it end up being about 2 months.

I HATE when that happens.

True, some times the bear DOES eat you.
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I drove down to Asheville last week, I can just as easily drive down to MD and serve you up a big ole can o' All American


No need for you to drive all the way down ,I am already here.
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No need for you to drive all the way down ,I am already here.
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mmm my favorite is burlap paper on properly prepped walls, nice and old so the glue is going. Comes of in sheets.
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No need for you to drive all the way down ,I am already here.
Yah we drove through H-Town about 8:30 AM on Tuesday. We figured it would not be right to call and stop by, nor call Jim Seymour to travel the hour to meet us in a local "establishment" at that hour. I don't even start drinking that early. We actually got to Asheville around 11 PM having spent about five hours along Skyline Drive. DAMN, you live in beautiful country !!!
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through H-Town about 8:30 AM on Tuesday.

You would have missed me by 4.5 hours as I was and have been on a very large painting job that needed to be done by today( it's not) been putting in 10 to 12 hours a day for the last month( including weekends), pays well but I rarely work weekends and am just about burnt.
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I've always just charged double what the room would cost to simply paint. Just in case it wasn't primed.
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I've always just charged double what the room would cost to simply paint. Just in case it wasn't primed.
Cap'n,

What does that work out Sq Ft per Min or even Min/Sq Ft. ???

Even at Sev's station wagon bandit special of $200 to paint a room, that still seems a little high, UNLESS the room is 16 x 16 x 7'6"

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