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Old 05-13-2017, 03:43 PM   #41
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try adding a box fan on low to circulate air

just need a little air moving and they'll dry better

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What's your go to for grain filler?

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nothing, we have no problem selling oak with the grain ... satin finish

only 1 out of 40 are oak anyway

we average painting 400 to 450 doors a month, 90% of our work is cabinet painting


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nothing, we have no problem selling oak with the grain ... satin finish

only 1 out of 40 are oak anyway

we average painting 400 to 450 doors a month, 90% of our work is cabinet painting


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I think my boss really screwed me on this one. I'd have sold em with the grain, made great $ on an and been done. He doesn't sell a lot of jobs like this without my input but this one got away...
Got another cab job coming up next week. Lready painted oak, off white, just a fresh coat needed.I'm gonna use your set up in my garage. I guess our original set up wasn't awful, just not big enough. And IKEA hangers would be better in the long run I guess.
Straight over the existing coating with breakthrough and done.

Question...do you find that when using a dark color in breakthrough that the sheen or color is slightly"off" if the boxes are rolled and the doors sprayed?

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I think my boss really screwed me on this one. I'd have sold em with the grain, made great $ on an and been done. He doesn't sell a lot of jobs like this without my input but this one got away...
Got another cab job coming up next week. Lready painted oak, off white, just a fresh coat needed.I'm gonna use your set up in my garage. I guess our original set up wasn't awful, just not big enough. And IKEA hangers would be better in the long run I guess.
Straight over the existing coating with breakthrough and done.

Question...do you find that when using a dark color in breakthrough that the sheen or color is slightly"off" if the boxes are rolled and the doors sprayed?

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I agree on the grain filling. There's been alot of discussion on this. The procedures mentioned are definitly priceless, however I've never had a complaint on the fact that I don't fill them. Usually the client is getting them painted because they are to cheap to replace them. Once you start getting into grain filling, It's borderline cheaper to mill up new doors..
I do about 1 of these per month lately with just an airless 490 Graco 311 tip sprayed in my shop with Advance. Primed with Stix.
Repaint Florida. Are you still using the Breakthrough? Also, are you priming beforehand or just going straight over old varnish? Not sure if I can get this Breakthrough in Canada...
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I dont understand why everyone is so about the BINZ for cabinets. I ALWAYS use SW Easy Sand Primer, its around $40 a gallon, chalks up super nice within 1-2 hours, fills and sands super smooth. The extra money you spend is worth it when your talking about time, time is money!
I'm getting BIN for around that price and I think it's just an extra layer of insurance. Sure, it's nasty to work with, but that stuff will stick to anything. Cabinets are filthy, filthy beasts, covered and soaked with invisible cooking grease. Especially, porous woods like oak.

BIN is not always the best for everything, but it does a damn fine job for what is it made for. It's also not cheap!

Second choice would be Coverstain, but I've heard that some of you are getting lower VOC versions that aren't as good.
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Question...do you find that when using a dark color in breakthrough that the sheen or color is slightly"off" if the boxes are rolled and the doors sprayed?

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I've had that in deep base colors. We did one in barn red, and we also had the same coverstain issues as you were talking about, as well. They shot too much tint into it and killed the dry time, which I merrily ignored, but then had these doors sitting in my shop for a week before I could sand and top coat them.

The sprayed sheen was slightly sheen-ier than the foam-rolled cases, which nobody seemed to notice except I. I just left it alone. They were full overlay cabinets, anyway, so I doubt anyone ever has noticed.
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I've had that in deep base colors. We did one in barn red, and we also had the same coverstain issues as you were talking about, as well. They shot too much tint into it and killed the dry time, which I merrily ignored, but then had these doors sitting in my shop for a week before I could sand and top coat them.

The sprayed sheen was slightly sheen-ier than the foam-rolled cases, which nobody seemed to notice except I. I just left it alone. They were full overlay cabinets, anyway, so I doubt anyone ever has noticed.
I'd like to roll the boxes on this next job ...good to know what to expect.
I shot boxes and doors on the last job, shot the product back into the can for t/u and it was still a touch "off" in color and sheen. I'm the only one who'll notice but being new to breakthrough was looking for feed back.
I know it's pretty normal anyway with med-dark colors but eh, figured I'd ask anyway..

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I'd like to roll the boxes on this next job ...good to know what to expect.
I shot boxes and doors on the last job, shot the product back into the can for t/u and it was still a touch "off" in color and sheen. I'm the only one who'll notice but being new to breakthrough was looking for feed back.
I know it's pretty normal anyway with med-dark colors but eh, figured I'd ask anyway..

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LPC. I wonder if this could also be because your paint is now watered down slightly from sprayer? Maybe separate some non thinned paint for brushing. Plus the texture from roller stipple/brush lines will affect how light reflects off the paint...Doubt anyone would even notice..
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LPC. I wonder if this could also be because your paint is now watered down slightly from sprayer? Maybe separate some non thinned paint for brushing. Plus the texture from roller stipple/brush lines will affect how light reflects off the paint...Doubt anyone would even notice..
I was wondering that too...i may have contaminated it ever so slightly cuz I ran it through cleaning it out.

I know this method works wonders on dark exterior touchups and figured it'd be the same on this project. The molecularization of the tip does change the sheen and color sometimes....
At present, I have the doors set up in my garage and will "hillbilly test" em before I'm done....it sure would be nice to roll the next set of boxes.

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I was wondering that too...i may have contaminated it ever so slightly cuz I ran it through cleaning it out.

I know this method works wonders on dark exterior touchups and figured it'd be the same on this project. The molecularization of the tip does change the sheen and color sometimes....
At present, I have the doors set up in my garage and will "hillbilly test" em before I'm done....it sure would be nice to roll the next set of boxes.

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Ya. I brush and roll all my boxes too. Been using BM Advance because it flows out so nice.
Good luck!
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