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Old 01-16-2012, 12:19 AM   #21
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Thanks for the info Jack. I knew you were a big fan of Mirka products, and I have to say, you're a heck of a lot better than me about taking pictures of stuff! Do you think that the the Hyde would work for dustless sanding or are the holes in the abranet too small for the particles to pass through?
HUGE fan. This mesh stuff changed how we paint on many levels. Any time preparation can be reduced, it's a good thing. Abranet removes runs and sags quick and smooth regardless if years old or fresh paint. You can wet sand with it too, which is how I remove fresh sags with super light pressure and some 320.

Guess what I like most is how long the stuff lasts and how fast it removes heavy ugliness on repaints. An orbital sander is cool and all but many times I don't bother getting the sander out because the stuff is so effective sanding by hand. Sands drywall mud fast too and makes feathering to board nice and clean. John and I recently did a bunch of mudding on a flip and it makes a noticeable difference getting to your finish faster.

I ended up sanding all of the finish off these sagging poly'd doors so we could spray them white. I'd be surprised if I spent more than a minute or two on each side with the Ceros and some 120. Its just amazing stuff.

The mesh should would work fine on the HYDE

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Old 01-16-2012, 09:03 AM   #22
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The Hyde without a variable suction....doesn't work. The vac sucks the abrasive to the wall and it will 'stick'. Also the mesh will NOT give you a smooth surface. In this situation you will always have little grooves in the mud from where the mesh folds around to the clamp. I've tried pads to fix this....simply its not a great system.
I have the hand sanding version of the Hyde, and it sits in the truck alot right now because of the grooves it leaves in the compound. I have also experienced what you are referring to with the tool getting sucked into the wall. I think I can reduce the suction by drilling some holes in either the vac hose or the tool itself, and the groove issue should be resolved by using a different abrasive.

I know I must sound like a real cheapskate, but I really have to watch how much I'm spending right now. I'm trying to find a way to improve the quality of the product I provide, reduce the impact my services have on a customer's home, and reduce the amount of labor that goes into clean up at the end of the job, all without breaking the bank. Believe me, if there was anyway I could afford it my job sites would look like a Festool commercial by the end of the week!
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Here is Dale's (bikerboy) review on the Hyde Sanding kit.
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I have the hand sanding version of the Hyde, and it sits in the truck alot right now because of the grooves it leaves in the compound. I have also experienced what you are referring to with the tool getting sucked into the wall. I think I can reduce the suction by drilling some holes in either the vac hose or the tool itself, and the groove issue should be resolved by using a different abrasive.

I know I must sound like a real cheapskate, but I really have to watch how much I'm spending right now. I'm trying to find a way to improve the quality of the product I provide, reduce the impact my services have on a customer's home, and reduce the amount of labor that goes into clean up at the end of the job, all without breaking the bank. Believe me, if there was anyway I could afford it my job sites would look like a Festool commercial by the end of the week!
I have the same set-up and discovered I had to use 180 grit on new drywall mud or it left scratches. I thought it did a great job of dust extraction tho.
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Have you experimented with ways to cut down on the suction?
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Have you experimented with ways to cut down on the suction?
no, that has been a problem too, just haven't taken the time to try and wrap my head around the idea. My vac has only one suction speed and no way to reduce it. I did try to add more hose but of course that didn't work.
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I have the hand sanding version of the Hyde, and it sits in the truck alot right now because of the grooves it leaves in the compound. I have also experienced what you are referring to with the tool getting sucked into the wall. I think I can reduce the suction by drilling some holes in either the vac hose or the tool itself, and the groove issue should be resolved by using a different abrasive.

I know I must sound like a real cheapskate, but I really have to watch how much I'm spending right now. I'm trying to find a way to improve the quality of the product I provide, reduce the impact my services have on a customer's home, and reduce the amount of labor that goes into clean up at the end of the job, all without breaking the bank. Believe me, if there was anyway I could afford it my job sites would look like a Festool commercial by the end of the week!
Not at all....I'm a huge fan of Red Green. I'm also a huge fan of spending frugally....that's not cheap, that's just being responsible.

As far as reducing suction, wonder if you could use one of the straight attachments, cut it down so its not as long, put holes in that? Thing is, you have to cut it WAY down....minimum. Once you find the magic suction - that shouldn't have to change.

The Mirka handsander is $30, plus some paper ($30). Bag for your shop vac ($50-80).....could have a working system for $100-$150.

Keep watching craigslist for something used.

http://www.amazon.com/Mirka-91500-4-Inch-2-Inch-Abranet/dp/B001BKT5DQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1326720728&sr=8-1
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Good idea with the holes in the suction tube ! I'll give that a try next time. Thanks !!
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Here is Dale's (bikerboy) review on the Hyde Sanding kit.
So, does the Hyde not go on a pole? And, are those hose connections taped together?



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My Festool cleaning kit handle has a thumb switch that opens part of the handle, thus reducing suction without having to adjust the vac suction. Maybe you could find something similar that fits your vac?
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I don't know if I would go down the road of drilling holes in vac hoses to try to reduce suction. It seems that could create a great opportunity for dust to escape under suction, which starts to defeat the attempt at being dust free.



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I don't know if I would go down the road of drilling holes in vac hoses to try to reduce suction. It seems that could create a great opportunity for dust to escape under suction, which starts to defeat the attempt at being dust free.
Exactly right! What was I thinking ?
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Exactly right! What was I thinking ?
Sometimes modification for modification's sake is just backwards motion.

We have a bunch of vacs. 8 total. 7 of them have variable speed. #8 does not. We call it DGAS (dont give a...) and we use it for just bulk dirty jobs...water sucking, huge debris, dust piles etc. I am sitting here trying to think of what it would be like to use DGAS as our primary unit for all finish tasks...



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My Festool cleaning kit handle has a thumb switch that opens part of the handle, thus reducing suction without having to adjust the vac suction. Maybe you could find something similar that fits your vac?
I'm with you on those thoughts.... our local sweep shop has tons of parts to pick through. I found this one for another vac but seen much smaller parts like this.

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I'm with you on those thoughts.... our local sweep shop has tons of parts to pick through. I found this one for another vac but seen much smaller parts like this.

Ah ha ! One of my GCs has a handle like that on his vac hmmmm
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In all fairness, the point of modifying was the challenge of, "can something be retrofitted to do the task without spending money".

If there is suction you won't have any leakage...its sucking. What I see happening is all the little holes will collect dust then when you turn it off and put it down the dust will shake loose leaving a small mess.

I think trying to modify connections is the toughest part. Because it moves you are going to have tape constantly coming off. My crystal ball can hear a resounding, "screw this"!!
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In all fairness, the point of modifying was the challenge of, "can something be retrofitted to do the task without spending money".

If there is suction you won't have any leakage...its sucking. What I see happening is all the little holes will collect dust then when you turn it off and put it down the dust will shake loose leaving a small mess.

I think trying to modify connections is the toughest part. Because it moves you are going to have tape constantly coming off. My crystal ball can hear a resounding, "screw this"!!
You have inspired me, I think I am going to perforate a hose and measure for loss!



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You have inspired me, I think I am going to perforate a hose and measure for loss!
I still like the handle hole thing, think Ill "borrow" one from my GC and give it a go.
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You have inspired me, I think I am going to perforate a hose and measure for loss!

Cool...let us know.....and try to keep the media under a gig.
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I use a Festool 125 orbital sander with a Festool Midi vacuum...

That sanding video from bikerboy looks like work!...No comparison to my effortless festool for drywall mud..I use 120 for ICG all purpose drywall compound which is a little tougher than the light top coats that most mudders use..

I patched a wall yesterday with a 2' high and 10' long patch of mud and it came out looking flawless.

I use the yellow Joest Superpads.

http://www.slingers1858.co.uk/Joest-...P120-P400.html

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jost-Superpa...-/230647039508



I also own a Porter cable drywall sander for large jobs:

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