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Old 12-11-2012, 05:55 PM   #21
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I still haven't used it. i don't have any upcoming projects for that type of work. i'm looking for some used (free) cabinet doors to test some products out.i even put an ad in the local craigs list looking for cab doors but nothing yet.
Aw man. At least take a pic of the shiny new sprayer and show it to us. This way we can all drool over it and talk about how sweet it would be to have one ourselves.
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Aw man. At least take a pic of the shiny new sprayer and show it to us. This way we can all drool over it and talk about how sweet it would be to have one ourselves.
We are reconfiguring. Kremlins are getting mounted to the shop walls and 395's/440's getting booted to the field for '13. Can't wait!



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We are reconfiguring. Kremlins are getting mounted to the shop walls and 395's/440's getting booted to the field for '13. Can't wait!
I have a bit more experimenting to do with the AAA, but I was about ready to pull the trigger on a second AAA for solid color stuff in shop. Not quite there yet. I got a bunch of new tips and parts in to try to trouble shoot the micro bubbles. If that works, then we will move in that direction as well.

Are you running the larger size Xmark got or the next size smaller?
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I have a bit more experimenting to do with the AAA, but I was about ready to pull the trigger on a second AAA for solid color stuff in shop. Not quite there yet. I got a bunch of new tips and parts in to try to trouble shoot the micro bubbles. If that works, then we will move in that direction as well.

Are you running the larger size Xmark got or the next size smaller?
After much (MUCH) experimentation, Todd and I have agreed upon the 15:1 eos for paint grade and the 10.14 for clears in the shop. The Multifinish 440 will be our primary field based cab grade rig. Thats what we are running with for '13.



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Why the 440 instead of finish pro?
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Why the 440 instead of finish pro?
Honestly, we have done it all with the 395. Everything. Now its time to see how the 440mf measures up to it line by line. We are curious about it. Our 395 is now 3 years old. It needs a good going through, which we will give it, and a good wall of fame parking space at HQ.

I should add that we are supplementing (heavily) the shop configuration with hvlp technologies. The Apollo has been a huge hit in house and field, and we have another rig in the set up phase that we are quite excited about.



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The Apollo has been a huge hit in house and field, and we have another rig in the set up phase that we are quite excited about.
I assume its the five stage your testing Scott? I just looked up there offerings and it seems they also have a three & four stage.
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I assume its the five stage your testing Scott? I just looked up there offerings and it seems they also have a three & four stage.
5 is the bare minimum. If you saw the BM GE stuff we were running today, that was at 8.3, lightly reduced. 5 stage minimum. We are preparing a 6. The fans and transfer efficiency for non production work are remarkable.



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I assume its the five stage your testing Scott? I just looked up there offerings and it seems they also have a three & four stage.
Specifically, the 1050vr turbine with 7500 atomizer gun.



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5 is the bare minimum. If you saw the BM GE stuff we were running today, that was at 8.3, lightly reduced. 5 stage minimum. We are preparing a 6. The fans and transfer efficiency for non production work are remarkable.
I agree that 5 is the bare minimum, and didn't know they had a six. Its been at least 15 years since I've used my HVLP's, and really haven't kept up with the technology.

I started out with one of Titans first offerings in the 90s, then quickly upgraded to a bigger three stage Graco for small trim/cabinet jobs. But was never really happy with production, and spraying latex. I just switched to AA and fine finish tips and never looked back.

Appreciate all you do keeping me/us abreast of whats happening.
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Specifically, the 1050vr turbine with 7500 atomizer gun.
Thats the one I was just looking at. http://www.woodcraft.com/PRODUCT/208...FSWoPAodYxcAXA
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I agree that 5 is the bare minimum, and didn't know they had a six. Its been at least 15 years since I've used my HVLP's, and really haven't kept up with the technology.

I started out with one of Titans first offerings in the 90s, then quickly upgraded to a bigger three stage Graco for small trim/cabinet jobs. But was never really happy with production, and spraying latex. I just switched to AA and fine finish tips and never looked back.

Appreciate all you do keeping me/us abreast of whats happening.
We have a 3 stage that we run in some low viscosity products, but for across the board perform in any product performance, 5 stage. The gun is the difference from one to the next.

The 6 stage system we are setting up is not an Apollo.



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The 6 stage system we are setting up is not an Apollo.
Titan 115 ?
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Titan 115 ?
Not exactly. We are fixing to explore their transfer pump that is compatible with their CS 75/95/105 and 115 turbines. Very early stage, we won't dig in until sometime in Jan.



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I just had that "whoa there" moment after I was just looking at Apollo prices. Look what PT has done to me!

I really need to slow down on the new tools for awhile.
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i have the old style sustainers. your stack is getting pretty high!

nice equipment!!
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I just had that "whoa there" moment after I was just looking at Apollo prices. Look what PT has done to me!

I really need to slow down on the new tools for awhile.
I can't read TCR without considering buying something either. I have been eyeing a new hvlp for a while. Must resist the urge to buy..
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yeah a 6 stage would be nice for small projects but spending 2 grand just for the convenience is too rich for my blood.
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Must resist the urge to buy..
Tell me about it! I've always made it a rule to not make any major tool purchases in the winter (unless previously budgeted), and caught myself pricing out the Apollos. Sheesh!
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Paul and Tommy

I have said it for a long time, if I had to pick one sprayer to live with for better or worse, all applications, shop or field, it would be a 395FP/440MF class for sure.

I don't see a practical need for much bigger than that for 90% of what I plan to paint in my life. But the whole realm of smaller sprayed work where pump and fluid hose are overkill, is where there is some bank.

The tools that will make you the most money have a higher cost of entry, which I consider to be a good thing.



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