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WisePainter 09-20-2010 03:43 PM

ProMar 200 XP
 
My S.W. guy just presented the P.M. 200 XP today as an option for interior commercial contracts.
Apparently it is 3 in 1 business: sealer/filler/paint (egshel)

Great in theory, but the reality is a jaw dropping collection of application rules which sits before me in the MSDS paperwork:

Superior scrubability @ 1,200 scrubs
Excellent burnish resistence 0.1 change in gloss

impressive!

but.


In order to achieve "impressive" this wonder fluid requires a few things:

Spray and backroll ONLY! NO BRUSHING!!!
Apply 10 mil. wet!!!
.519 tip size 2000 psi.!!!!

this is gonna require a fairly skilled crew because otherwise...

The numbers:

120 sq. ft. per gal.
$36.00 after tax.

It has a deeptone base...bonus.


I'm sure someone here has/is using it, please share.

NCPaint1 09-20-2010 05:25 PM

So.....what does it do?

ewingpainting.net 09-20-2010 05:29 PM

It sucks!

WisePainter 09-20-2010 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NCPaint1 (Post 163243)
So.....what does it do?

spoken like a true B.M. guy.


shoots rainbows out of its %#&#...

NCPaint1 09-20-2010 05:32 PM

Why would you need high build on interior commercial?....ok and if you do need it ( generally for masonry/block ) who scrubs block? Maybe im missing something on this one.

TJ Paint 09-21-2010 01:24 AM

.....

Wolfgang 09-21-2010 08:29 AM

Did an insurance resto job last year and had to use the box stores for paint. Ran into the Valspar rep at Lowes and he comped me 7 gal of Valspar Contractor 2000 to try out. Truth be known, I liked the stuff better than the ProMar 200....and it came in a deep base. Brushed, rolled, and covered great with a nice even sheen. Just because some items are sold in box stores doesn't make them bad.


.....okay, you guys can start flaming me now.:whistling2:

WisePainter 09-21-2010 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NCPaint1 (Post 163247)
Why would you need high build on interior commercial?....ok and if you do need it ( generally for masonry/block ) who scrubs block? Maybe im missing something on this one.

Mainly it seems to be a prime/paint in one...the rest is fodder for info. nerds I guess. It would save time by applying one coat over new drywall, but at 10 mils. it just seems insane.
Kripes man I don't make the stuff, just curious!!!!

WisePainter 09-21-2010 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfgang (Post 163371)
Did an insurance resto job last year and had to use the box stores for paint. Ran into the Valspar rep at Lowes and he comped me 7 gal of Valspar Contractor 2000 to try out. Truth be known, I liked the stuff better than the ProMar 200....and it came in a deep base. Brushed, rolled, and covered great with a nice even sheen. Just because some items are sold in box stores doesn't make them bad.


.....okay, you guys can start flaming me now.:whistling2:



proof that a pro can make any material work.

straight_lines 09-21-2010 12:58 PM

No some of those paints are actually not bad at all.

NCPaint1 09-21-2010 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WisePainter (Post 163384)
Mainly it seems to be a prime/paint in one...the rest is fodder for info. nerds I guess. It would save time by applying one coat over new drywall, but at 10 mils. it just seems insane.
Kripes man I don't make the stuff, just curious!!!!

Didnt that have prime/finish already. C.H.B? So, basically its that, now available in deep bases, at 4 times the cost. :thumbsup: Gooooooooooo Sherwinnnnnnnnnn....yayyyyyyyyyyyyy :notworthy:

DeanV 09-21-2010 03:37 PM

Let's not pretend that just because a cheap flat (CHB, supercraft, etc) is often applied directly to drywall that it primes and finishes in one coat. Remember too that almost all interior BM paints did not call for primer on drywall long before Aura came along.

WisePainter 09-21-2010 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NCPaint1 (Post 163392)
Didnt that have prime/finish already. C.H.B? So, basically its that, now available in deep bases, at 4 times the cost. :thumbsup: Gooooooooooo Sherwinnnnnnnnnn....yayyyyyyyyyyyyy :notworthy:

do you possibly work for, or own a B.M. franchise by ANY chance?

SWGuy 09-21-2010 07:26 PM

ProMar 200 xp is a labor saving product that will give the performance and look of 1 prime coat and 2 topcoats in a system of using just 2 coats of xp.

Where it saves labor is when you are doing a specified job that is spec'd 1 prime 2 top, most architects will approve 2 coats of this material. I have had people win jobs with these labor savings.

NCPaint1 09-21-2010 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WisePainter (Post 163404)
do you possibly work for, or own a B.M. franchise by ANY chance?

Maybe.....and they aren't franchises. We start them from scratch, and build our own business, just like you.

NCPaint1 09-21-2010 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SWGuy (Post 163433)
ProMar 200 xp is a labor saving product that will give the performance and look of 1 prime coat and 2 topcoats in a system of using just 2 coats of xp.

Where it saves labor is when you are doing a specified job that is spec'd 1 prime 2 top, most architects will approve 2 coats of this material. I have had people win jobs with these labor savings.

With the DFT this makes sense to me now. What's the spread rate? I mean cool, you're saving on labor, but if the spread rate is half...the savings starts to shrink fast.

NCPaint1 09-21-2010 08:32 PM

@ 120 sq ft/ gal. That breaks down to .31/ft. material cost per foot. Aura has a cost of .12/ft. People say how they will never buy Aura because of cost....XP200 is almost three times as expensive as Aura. That kind of cost per foot can really ding your profit margin on a job.

WisePainter 09-21-2010 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NCPaint1 (Post 163446)
Maybe.....and they aren't franchises. We start them from scratch, and build our own business, just like you.


ffs, you have a friggin' death grip about it then doncha'?

:jester:

WisePainter 09-21-2010 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NCPaint1 (Post 163451)
With the DFT this makes sense to me now. What's the spread rate? I mean cool, you're saving on labor, but if the spread rate is half...the savings starts to shrink fast.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NCPaint1 (Post 163456)
@ 120 sq ft/ gal. That breaks down to .31/ft. material cost per foot. Aura has a cost of .12/ft. People say how they will never buy the product because of cost....XP200 is almost three times as expensive.



Both excellent questions that I too asked. The answer lies with the individual painter I guess.
But yeah, I see it the way you do.

TJ Paint 09-21-2010 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SWGuy (Post 163433)
ProMar 200 xp is a labor saving product



I have had people win jobs with these labor savings.

more power to them if they walk such a thin line. To me, thats not a fun project.


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