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Old 09-20-2010, 04:43 PM   #1
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My S.W. guy just presented the P.M. 200 XP today as an option for interior commercial contracts.
Apparently it is 3 in 1 business: sealer/filler/paint (egshel)

Great in theory, but the reality is a jaw dropping collection of application rules which sits before me in the MSDS paperwork:

Superior scrubability @ 1,200 scrubs
Excellent burnish resistence 0.1 change in gloss

impressive!

but.


In order to achieve "impressive" this wonder fluid requires a few things:

Spray and backroll ONLY! NO BRUSHING!!!
Apply 10 mil. wet!!!
.519 tip size 2000 psi.!!!!

this is gonna require a fairly skilled crew because otherwise...

The numbers:

120 sq. ft. per gal.
$36.00 after tax.

It has a deeptone base...bonus.


I'm sure someone here has/is using it, please share.
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So.....what does it do?
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So.....what does it do?
spoken like a true B.M. guy.


shoots rainbows out of its %#&#...
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Why would you need high build on interior commercial?....ok and if you do need it ( generally for masonry/block ) who scrubs block? Maybe im missing something on this one.
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Did an insurance resto job last year and had to use the box stores for paint. Ran into the Valspar rep at Lowes and he comped me 7 gal of Valspar Contractor 2000 to try out. Truth be known, I liked the stuff better than the ProMar 200....and it came in a deep base. Brushed, rolled, and covered great with a nice even sheen. Just because some items are sold in box stores doesn't make them bad.


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Why would you need high build on interior commercial?....ok and if you do need it ( generally for masonry/block ) who scrubs block? Maybe im missing something on this one.
Mainly it seems to be a prime/paint in one...the rest is fodder for info. nerds I guess. It would save time by applying one coat over new drywall, but at 10 mils. it just seems insane.
Kripes man I don't make the stuff, just curious!!!!
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Did an insurance resto job last year and had to use the box stores for paint. Ran into the Valspar rep at Lowes and he comped me 7 gal of Valspar Contractor 2000 to try out. Truth be known, I liked the stuff better than the ProMar 200....and it came in a deep base. Brushed, rolled, and covered great with a nice even sheen. Just because some items are sold in box stores doesn't make them bad.


.....okay, you guys can start flaming me now.


proof that a pro can make any material work.
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No some of those paints are actually not bad at all.
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Primer makes everything better...
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Mainly it seems to be a prime/paint in one...the rest is fodder for info. nerds I guess. It would save time by applying one coat over new drywall, but at 10 mils. it just seems insane.
Kripes man I don't make the stuff, just curious!!!!
Didnt that have prime/finish already. C.H.B? So, basically its that, now available in deep bases, at 4 times the cost. Gooooooooooo Sherwinnnnnnnnnn....yayyyyyyyyyyyyy
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Let's not pretend that just because a cheap flat (CHB, supercraft, etc) is often applied directly to drywall that it primes and finishes in one coat. Remember too that almost all interior BM paints did not call for primer on drywall long before Aura came along.
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Old 09-21-2010, 05:48 PM   #13
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Didnt that have prime/finish already. C.H.B? So, basically its that, now available in deep bases, at 4 times the cost. Gooooooooooo Sherwinnnnnnnnnn....yayyyyyyyyyyyyy
do you possibly work for, or own a B.M. franchise by ANY chance?
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ProMar 200 xp is a labor saving product that will give the performance and look of 1 prime coat and 2 topcoats in a system of using just 2 coats of xp.

Where it saves labor is when you are doing a specified job that is spec'd 1 prime 2 top, most architects will approve 2 coats of this material. I have had people win jobs with these labor savings.
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do you possibly work for, or own a B.M. franchise by ANY chance?
Maybe.....and they aren't franchises. We start them from scratch, and build our own business, just like you.
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ProMar 200 xp is a labor saving product that will give the performance and look of 1 prime coat and 2 topcoats in a system of using just 2 coats of xp.

Where it saves labor is when you are doing a specified job that is spec'd 1 prime 2 top, most architects will approve 2 coats of this material. I have had people win jobs with these labor savings.
With the DFT this makes sense to me now. What's the spread rate? I mean cool, you're saving on labor, but if the spread rate is half...the savings starts to shrink fast.
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@ 120 sq ft/ gal. That breaks down to .31/ft. material cost per foot. Aura has a cost of .12/ft. People say how they will never buy Aura because of cost....XP200 is almost three times as expensive as Aura. That kind of cost per foot can really ding your profit margin on a job.
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ffs, you have a friggin' death grip about it then doncha'?

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With the DFT this makes sense to me now. What's the spread rate? I mean cool, you're saving on labor, but if the spread rate is half...the savings starts to shrink fast.
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@ 120 sq ft/ gal. That breaks down to .31/ft. material cost per foot. Aura has a cost of .12/ft. People say how they will never buy the product because of cost....XP200 is almost three times as expensive.


Both excellent questions that I too asked. The answer lies with the individual painter I guess.
But yeah, I see it the way you do.
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ProMar 200 xp is a labor saving product



I have had people win jobs with these labor savings.
more power to them if they walk such a thin line. To me, thats not a fun project.
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