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Old 09-14-2019, 10:31 AM   #1
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We need to be careful here!

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...eenlight_email
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Be careful of the politics, or be careful of the toxic seaweed? This looks like an invitation to a PT Perma Ban.

On another note, the gas they are experiencing is likely H2S, or hydrogen 2 sulfide. It is a hazardous gas found in oil refineries and waste treatment plants. Basically, a byproduct of decomposition. It can kill you almost instantly in high concentrations. It attacks your olfactory glands first, and then you're dead.
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@CApainter Algae In the USA:

https://www.npr.org/2016/08/29/49183...ems-across-u-s


https://www.epa.gov/nutrientpollutio...l-algal-blooms


https://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...88302462.html\


https://www.whoi.edu/oceanus/feature...harmful-algae/

So, yes, I think the algae is becoming a huge problem, caused by agricultural run off.
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If it aint one thing it's another, right?
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Agricultural runoff can certainly cause an algae bloom. In the early 80's I lived in NE North Carolina. I used to fish in a natural freshwater lake called Lake Phelps. Late Jan or early Feb was prime fishing for largemouth bass. The algae bloom would hit mid Feb and ruin the fishing. Lake Phelps is surrounded by corporate farms and nutrient run off was thought to be the cause of the algae bloom. Over the years various regulations were enacted that have controlled the runoff and the algae bloom in the freshwater. The salt water Pamlico sound was practically destroyed by AG runoff and hog farm runoff. The big environmental push was in the 80's and has largely been successful. Sportsmen vs corporate AG....they worked it out successfully. It was not kicked under the rug like it appears to have been in France. You havent lived until you have smelled a hog farm. Chicken farms are not much better.
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So let's let billions of people die so we can have "clean" farming. Brilliant.
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So let's let billions of people die so we can have "clean" farming. Brilliant.
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So let's let billions of people die so we can have "clean" farming. Brilliant.
You fell for the trap. You've now initiated a political debate in my opinion. I was afraid this would happen.

This topic should have been posted in the outhouse in my opinion.
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You fell for the trap. You've now initiated a political debate in my opinion. I was afraid this would happen.

This topic should have been posted in the outhouse in my opinion.

Why does a discussion about farming have to necessarily involve politics? If you want to bring politics into it, start a new thread in the outhouse. Those who want to discuss the issue without bringing politics into it can continue to do so here.


If politics are brought into this thread it will unfortunately be moved to the outhouse, but be advised the mods have run out of warnings regarding that issue.
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Why does a discussion about farming have to necessarily involve politics? If you want to bring politics into it, start a new thread in the outhouse. Those who want to discuss the issue without bringing politics into it can continue to do so here.


If politics are brought into this thread it will unfortunately be moved to the outhouse, but be advised the mods have run out of warnings regarding that issue.
Post #6 was clearly a political rebuttal to the thread subject. I personally have given no opinion on the subject other than to point out that any disagreement to the OP's subject matter has the potential to be political.

This is why I believe there has to be some responsibility on the part of the original posters to categorize their posts correctly. Because at the end of the day, many of these discussions about the environment ultimately will turn political once there is a disagreeable reply. And surely anyone who disagrees with the OP, is subject to discipline.
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Post #6 was clearly a political rebuttal to the thread subject. I personally have given no opinion on the subject other than to point out that any disagreement to the OP's subject matter has the potential to be political.

This is why I believe there has to be some responsibility on the part of the original posters to categorize their posts correctly. Because at the end of the day, many of these discussions about the environment ultimately will turn political once there is a disagreeable reply. And surely anyone who disagrees with the OP, is subject to discipline.

I disagree regarding post 6. Like I said, you can talk about farming without bringing politics into it. Period. Potential means literally nothing.


Just because some people can talk about environmental issues without bringing politics into it and others can't does not put any responsibility on the OP regarding where they create their thread. That remains the responsibility of the person responding who can or can't control themselves. The consequences you're correct, do remain the same.


This isn't directed at you CA, just a general observation.
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I disagree regarding post 6. Like I said, you can talk about farming without bringing politics into it. Period. Potential means literally nothing.


Just because some people can talk about environmental issues without bringing politics into it and others can't does not put any responsibility on the OP regarding where they create their thread. That remains the responsibility of the person responding who can or can't control themselves. The consequences you're correct, do remain the same.


This isn't directed at you CA, just a general observation.
I maintain that any disagreement with the OP's subject matter has the potential to be political. And post #6 contains plenty of ideological disagreement.

Frankly, this discussion has the potential to be an engaging debate had it been posted in the Outhouse. Now, it's basically a cork board of agreeable posts confirming the OP's assessment on the subject.
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It seems this is a dilemma for any public or private waterway where run off from lawn chemicals is present. People aren't necessarily aware that stuff's running off into their ponds or their riverfront property.
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I maintain that any disagreement with the OP's subject matter has the potential to be political. And post #6 contains plenty of ideological disagreement.

Frankly, this discussion has the potential to be an engaging debate had it been posted in the Outhouse. Now, it's basically a cork board of agreeable posts confirming the OP's assessment on the subject.

I seem to have to repeat myself several times today for some reason. Create a similar thread in the Outhouse. There are people on here who do not want any part of that sub forum and have not requested to have access. There are people on here who do want to engage in that sub forum and enjoy talking politics. Have at it.



I'm done with this issue. You've got 101 buttons in front of you. Push whichever ones you wish in whatever sequence you desire. Just be aware of cause and effect.
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I seem to have to repeat myself several times today for some reason. Create a similar thread in the Outhouse. There are people on here who do not want any part of that sub forum and have not requested to have access. There are people on here who do want to engage in that sub forum and enjoy talking politics. Have at it.



I'm done with this issue. You've got 101 buttons in front of you. Push whichever ones you wish in whatever sequence you desire. Just be aware of cause and effect.
I have no intentions of debating the OP's position. Besides, it's her choice to post in a forum that welcomes debate.
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It seems this is a dilemma for any public or private waterway where run off from lawn chemicals is present. People aren't necessarily aware that stuff's running off into their ponds or their riverfront property.



Or if you have well water this can be a huge heath risk. People think the city of Flint Mi has problems lemme let y'all in on a secret it's a nation wide issue. Ann Arbor Mi has some serious water problems Benton Harbor the list is looooong ...
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So how does the fact that the reason we need such intensive farming practices is to feed the 6 billion people on earth a political issue? It's a fact regardless of your political beliefs. We need to grow food to feed everyone, and if we can't grow enough food people will starve to death. Not a hard concept to grasp
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So how does the fact that the reason we need such intensive farming practices is to feed the 6 billion people on earth a political issue? It's a fact regardless of your political beliefs. We need to grow food to feed everyone, and if we can't grow enough food people will starve to death. Not a hard concept to grasp
No comment. Your post #6 was a reply to other posters comments on the subject, not to mine. I suggest you direct it to them.
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So let's let billions of people die so we can have "clean" farming. Brilliant.
Either way, people die when water becomes toxic & soon it all will be.
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So how does the fact that the reason we need such intensive farming practices is to feed the 6 billion people on earth a political issue? It's a fact regardless of your political beliefs. We need to grow food to feed everyone, and if we can't grow enough food people will starve to death. Not a hard concept to grasp
People die quicker with no potable water! Water is the base upon which life came into being and continues to keep growing. We can grow food without poisoning everyone.
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