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I'm pretty sure that humanity will not survive. It's actually a forgone conclusion. Anyone who thinks that we had a chance to survive as a species for a million years on the planet is dead wrong. What we DO have is the ability to develop ways to leave the planet, and in reality that is the only way our species will survive.

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Leave and go where?
well...back home for me. Not sure about the rest of you though.
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Just want to put this out there for all my fellow PT'ers. When the 5hit finally does hit the fan, i have a well and water rights to all the pure drinking water i can pull out of my well. I'll be glad to provide all of my fellow pt'ers with fresh drinking water.......for a small pittance of $1000.00 a gallon. In gold or silver only please.
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Just want to put this out there for all my fellow PT'ers. When the 5hit finally does hit the fan, i have a well and water rights to all the pure drinking water i can pull out of my well. I'll be glad to provide all of my fellow pt'ers with fresh drinking water.......for a small pittance of $1000.00 a gallon. In gold or silver only please.

You bought the mineral rights? Good Thinking!
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@PACman I agree with you 100 percent. As a matter of fact back in the early 70's Paul Ehrlich published a paper using historic data from major volcanic eruptions to claim an early Ice Age. His claim that particulate matter spewed from volcanoes was similar to automotive and factory emissions and would block the sun rays and cause cooling. Dr. Ehrlich further claimed that the industrialization of the planet would bring on this early Ice Age do to their particulate emissions. He also mentioned the greenhouse gases of carbon dioxide, sulfur dioxide, and hydrogen sulfide.
He hypothesized that this greenhouse effect could counteract the particulate matter sunray blocking effect. Dr. Ehrlich used historic climatology data from cities downwind of major volcanic eruptions. He claimed that the cities had no summer. One of my professors, Dr. Rubenstein, attempted to duplicate his data and included other cities in the same volcanic path. He found that Dr. Ehrlich had SELECTED data that proved his point of global cooling. Other data suggested no such cooling . Dr. Ehrlich was claiming an early Ice Age was a upon us... A nice way to get additional research dollars. As far as comparisons of greenhouse gas emissions between volcanos and humankind again you are correct. Its like if I piss in the ocean and the sea level detectibly rises. If this is true then 10 million cars might cause a detectible global increase in CO2. No question that pollution is a problem... Just go across the 405 from Santa Monica to Van Nuys and you will see the particulate matter that is in the air. It is truly disgusting. Cleaning up particulate matter has immediate health benefits. What benefit will we receive from a tenfold reduction of CO2 emissions? Before we assume that this would be beneficial to the environment shouldn't we be certain that it won't be detrimental. A lot of megamillionares are depending on us to be do-gooders in the name of saving the planet. So let's all go buy a Prius and save that poor polar bear on the Arctic Ice Flow.
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@PACman I agree with you 100 percent. As a matter of fact back in the early 70's Paul Ehrlich published a paper using historic data from major volcanic eruptions to claim an early Ice Age. His claim that particulate matter spewed from volcanoes was similar to automotive and factory emissions and would block the sun rays and cause cooling. Dr. Ehrlich further claimed that the industrialization of the planet would bring on this early Ice Age do to their particulate emissions. He also mentioned the greenhouse gases of carbon dioxide, sulfur dioxide, and hydrogen sulfide.
He hypothesized that this greenhouse effect could counteract the particulate matter sunray blocking effect. Dr. Ehrlich used historic climatology data from cities downwind of major volcanic eruptions. He claimed that the cities had no summer. One of my professors, Dr. Rubenstein, attempted to duplicate his data and included other cities in the same volcanic path. He found that Dr. Ehrlich had SELECTED data that proved his point of global cooling. Other data suggested no such cooling . Dr. Ehrlich was claiming an early Ice Age was a upon us... A nice way to get additional research dollars. As far as comparisons of greenhouse gas emissions between volcanos and humankind again you are correct. Its like if I piss in the ocean and the sea level detectibly rises. If this is true then 10 million cars might cause a detectible global increase in CO2. No question that pollution is a problem... Just go across the 405 from Santa Monica to Van Nuys and you will see the particulate matter that is in the air. It is truly disgusting. Cleaning up particulate matter has immediate health benefits. What benefit will we receive from a tenfold reduction of CO2 emissions? Before we assume that this would be beneficial to the environment shouldn't we be certain that it won't be detrimental. A lot of megamillionares are depending on us to be do-gooders in the name of saving the planet. So let's all go buy a Prius and save that poor polar bear on the Arctic Ice Flow.
I used to have to drive across the LA basin to get to my GF's house every Friday. Driving up the 15 and when you went through the pass going into Corona you could see the brown haze in front of the mountains on the other side of the basin. 5 minutes later your eyes and nostrils would start to burn. Coming back, sometimes when you went through the Cajon pass the entire basin would be brown tinged. It's hard to believe it is actually much, much less polluted than it was in the 60's but it is true! But yeah, those particulates are a much more critical health concern then high altitude Co2 is!
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Might as well make it as comfortable as possible while we're here! And yes, of course i have mineral and water rights here and in southern Ohio. Who wouldn't do that? And i am well enough armed to protect them. Oddly, i can only buy low flow plumbing fixtures that restrict how much of MY water i can use at one time? Because the earth is running out of fresh water? (another huge lie btw.)
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@PACman I agree with you 100 percent. As a matter of fact back in the early 70's Paul Ehrlich published a paper using historic data from major volcanic eruptions to claim an early Ice Age. His claim that particulate matter spewed from volcanoes was similar to automotive and factory emissions and would block the sun rays and cause cooling. Dr. Ehrlich further claimed that the industrialization of the planet would bring on this early Ice Age do to their particulate emissions. He also mentioned the greenhouse gases of carbon dioxide, sulfur dioxide, and hydrogen sulfide.
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Yeah about that....i still have a closet full of winter clothes because for 40 years we were told we were going to freeze to death if the bombs didn't get us.
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My advice- since my paint school did not teach climate science- is to lean towards the actual scientists who study these things. I would not expect paint advice from them. You are better off going to the experts, be it painting or science.
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I am sure this will be moved soon but yes climate change is real and happening. Fresh water is a real problem for a large portion of the world as it is not always available where it is needed. If in doubt ask the water board of Denver where it is going to get water for the ant pile of people that live there when the western slope water sources finally turn off the taps. Ask Las Vegas in a year or so when Lake Powell has more demand than supply because the snow pack is way below average and all of the west is in a severe drought. Think about it when you buy the next head of lettuce which is irrigated by Colorado river water. Then think of the rest of the world that doesn't have the resources the U. S. has.
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I am sure this will be moved soon but yes climate change is real and happening. Fresh water is a real problem for a large portion of the world as it is not always available where it is needed. If in doubt ask the water board of Denver where it is going to get water for the ant pile of people that live there when the western slope water sources finally turn off the taps. Ask Las Vegas in a year or so when Lake Powell has more demand than supply because the snow pack is way below average and all of the west is in a severe drought. Think about it when you buy the next head of lettuce which is irrigated by Colorado river water. Then think of the rest of the world that doesn't have the resources the U. S. has.

Even in the US ground aquifers are running out! "Out of sight, out of mind" until the taps suddenly run dry. Water wars will be a real problem soon enough as countries that share water resources have a neighbor that cuts another off. (Pakistan & India / Israel & the Palestinians) The USA & Canada are already having issues about using water from the great lakes to pipe it inland to US towns. Canada agreed because it seemed unreasonable to let any town die of thirst. Yet the levels of water in those lakes are dropping. In some countries water rights belong to corporations that then sell it in the same way as we pay for gas or electricity. Water is a HUGE issue. Australia finally got so bad they were forced to build a bunch of desalination plants to supply basic water needs.


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@Fman - reasoning skills, the ability to read and understand scientific or technical literature, and forming an opinion based upon information is not the exclusive domain of scientists. "Experts" in all fields are a dime a dozen. We all have common sense and the instincts to know when we are being mislead. Challenge the experts you know....if they are offended then they just might not be as knowledgeable as they claim. A true expert loves to share their knowledge and they will tell you they are life long learners.
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@jennifertemple - I always felt that the water was a zero sum game. Water is not destroyed it just changes form. Clean water is probably being changed into something not potable. I am guilty of not educating myself on this issue. Its really odd that a physician client of mine, less than two weeks ago, tried to get me to invest in a Phillipine water company. He says they sell it by the 5'er. He is Phillipino and does missionary work about 4 months a year in the Phillipines. I have some homework to do.

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Even in the US ground aquifers are running out! "Out of sight, out of mind" until the taps suddenly run dry. Water wars will be a real problem soon enough as countries that share water resources have a neighbor that cuts another off. (Pakistan & India / Israel & the Palestinians) The USA & Canada are already having issues about using water from the great lakes to pipe it inland to US towns. Canada agreed because it seemed unreasonable to let any town die of thirst. Yet the levels of water in those lakes are dropping. In some countries water rights belong to corporations that then sell it in the same way as we pay for gas or electricity. Water is a HUGE issue. Australia finally got so bad they were forced to build a bunch of desalination plants to supply basic water needs.


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Even in the US ground aquifers are running out! "Out of sight, out of mind" until the taps suddenly run dry. Water wars will be a real problem soon enough as countries that share water resources have a neighbor that cuts another off. (Pakistan & India / Israel & the Palestinians) The USA & Canada are already having issues about using water from the great lakes to pipe it inland to US towns. Canada agreed because it seemed unreasonable to let any town die of thirst. Yet the levels of water in those lakes are dropping. In some countries water rights belong to corporations that then sell it in the same way as we pay for gas or electricity. Water is a HUGE issue. Australia finally got so bad they were forced to build a bunch of desalination plants to supply basic water needs.


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@jennifertemple - I always felt that the water was a zero sum game. Water is not destroyed it just changes form. Clean water is probably being changed into something not potable. I am guilty of not educating myself on this issue. Its really odd that a physician client of mine, less than two weeks ago, tried to get me to invest in a Phillipine water company. He says they sell it by the 5'er. He is Phillipino and does missionary work about 4 months a year in the Phillipines. I have some homework to do.

Watch the "Blue Gold" documentary! It is the full documentary, best to do it before they take it off YouTube! For most of my life I thought as you do! It is no longer true! Worse for the USA because a great many states have privatized water rights AND Corporations were granted personhood! In Canada, at least, Corporations are not persons under our laws or constitution, Lucky Us! We in North Amerrica will not feel the pain as soon as others have but the world over Corporation are doubling down on water rights. God help us all!!
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In reality any conversation about human extinction that doesn't start with the words "coronal mass ejection" is a waste of time. We are hundreds of times more likely to be extinguished by a coronal mass ejection then any thing else. Why do we almost never hear of coronal mass ejection? Because no one can make money off of it.
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Not all the effects of CMEs are bad. The beautiful aurora borealis and aurora australis (Northern and Southern Lights) are caused by the influence of CMEs with the magnetic field surrounding the Earth. Roughly speaking, this interaction with the Earth's magnetosphere forms a kind of magnetohydrodynamic dynamo -- like an electrical generator -- which can drive a flow of charged particles down into the atmosphere. A small part of the energy carried by this current of particles is dissipated in the generation of auroral light. (Most of the dissipated energy goes to heating the atmosphere, and to breaking apart the atoms and molecules in the atmosphere.)
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Did any of you know that during roman times, Libya and all of north africa was a huge lush farmland? That's why the romans put so much effort into occupying north africa. A huge portion of the Roman's foods came from Libya. Now, not so much. Why? Because of global warming 2000 YEARS AGO! The earth changes itself, and humans have for centuries been able to adapt to those changes. Now we have billions upon billions of people who are locked into living in huge cities, and when the water supplies for those cities goes somewhere else, those people are in trouble. We are terrible at managing water resources without the extra 5 billion people that earth can't support.
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As Sam Kinnison used to say, "we have deserts in America! We just don't f'ing LIVE in them!". Well now we do. And again, our politics and piss poor management of the available water has doomed those communities to water deprivation. Follow the money, and that is where you'll find the water.
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@PACman - making money on coronal mass ejection (CME) at this point is not necessary. The demagogues are still doing well with climate change. If they bring up real threats like CME and pandemic flu they just might be exposed. I hope that pandemic flu vaccine the are working on is more effective than last years flu vaccine.
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