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Old 10-10-2016, 12:43 PM   #21
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I would expect anyone to experience at least some behavioral changes after serving in a maximum security prison. Fortunately, and as far as we know by all counts, Steven was able to assimilate into a normal life after serving eighteen years- up until he was accused of this heinous crime two years after his exoneration and subsequent release.

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Give me an example.
actually, I kind of half a55 listened and don't really have a clue. I was kind of preoccupied.

Breasts have a tendency to do that to me I'm afraid.
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actually, I kind of half a55 listened and don't really have a clue. I was kind of preoccupied.
How can you not admire that kind of honesty I take it she knows more about the documentary than you do. hee..hee.
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you're either going to love him, or hate him.
Having worked with men in max prisons and re-entering the community for 10yrs, I eventually learned to do neither. Just accept them for who they are and go from there. Some of the most 'normal' looking and speaking guys were some of the most difficult to work with. Defiant, deceitful, non compliant, etc. Some of the hardest, meanest, scarred looking and talking guys were sometimes the most cooperative, positively driven and interested in change.

I'd rather work with a hardened biker type murderer any day of the week over a well groomed con man or fraudster. I grew to never trust anything those guys would say. I could be standing in the rain getting soaked and one of those guys would say "it's raining" and I wouldn't believe him.
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Having worked with men in max prisons and re-entering the community for 10yrs, I eventually learned to do neither. Just accept them for who they are and go from there. Some of the most 'normal' looking and speaking guys were some of the most difficult to work with. Defiant, deceitful, non compliant, etc. Some of the hardest, meanest, scarred looking and talking guys were sometimes the most cooperative, positively driven and interested in change.

I'd rather work with a hardened biker type murderer any day of the week over a well groomed con man or fraudster. I grew to never trust anything those guys would say. I could be standing in the rain getting soaked and one of those guys would say "it's raining" and I wouldn't believe him.

man I have always had a weird curiosity of a prison, what is it like in there, survival of the fittest, rapes, stabbings, ??
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I watched the whole documentary and felt the guy got railroaded then I google him and read a bunch of stuff from his x girlfriend and his current girlfriend and changed my mind and now think he is guilty. Who knows for sure, but anyone that would light a cat on fire to watch burn to death is a sicko
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man I have always had a weird curiosity of a prison, what is it like in there, survival of the fittest, rapes, stabbings, ??
All of the above, but as with most things in life.

It depends.

Can be quiet for weeks on end, then mayhem.

Depends on the upper management of the pen for the most part. At the end of the day, that's a place where poop really rolls downhill.
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All of the above, but as with most things in life.

It depends.

Can be quiet for weeks on end, then mayhem.

Depends on the upper management of the pen for the most part. At the end of the day, that's a place where poop really rolls downhill.
Lot of gangs or can you be solo in there and survive ??
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I watched the whole documentary and felt the guy got railroaded then I google him and read a bunch of stuff from his x girlfriend and his current girlfriend and changed my mind and now think he is guilty. Who knows for sure, but anyone that would light a cat on fire to watch burn to death is a sicko
That's a good point. From what you learn about Steven Avery, early in the documentary, he's not a stellar person by any means. After all, he did serve a few years in the early 80's for threating his cousin with a firearm. Frankly, there are questionable relatives all over that compound.

And yet, his acts are juvenile in comparison with the sophisticated cover up conducted by the county. For example, how do you explain blood evidence tampering supposedly sealed in an evidence vault at the Manitowoc county sheriff's dept.? Or the fact that one of the sheriff deputies actually found the reported missing person's (Teresa) abandoned vehicle two days before it was mysteriously discovered again by searchers, who were directed by a sheriffs investigator to search the Avery's junk yard?

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That's a good point. From what you learn about Steven Avery, early in the documentary, he's not a stellar person by any means. After all, he did serve a few years in the early 80's for threating his cousin with a firearm. Frankly, there are questionable relatives all over that compound.

And yet, his acts are juvenile in comparison with the sophisticated cover up conducted by the county. For example, how do you explain blood evidence tampering supposedly sealed in an evidence vault at the Manitowoc county sheriff's dept.? Or the fact that one of the sheriff deputies actually found the reported missing person's (Teresa) abandoned vehicle two days before it was mysteriously discovered again by searchers, who were directed by a sheriffs investigator to search the Avery's junk yard?

And you know what sucks is that if Steve did not have the money for the best lawyers around non of that would even of been brought up, it would of been a open and shut case. Just imagine how many people that have no money get shafted by the system, that are innocent.
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And you know what sucks is that if Steve did not have the money for the best lawyers around non of that would even of been brought up, it would of been a open and shut case. Just imagine how many people that have no money get shafted by the system, that are innocent.
Hence the saying; "it's better to be rich and guilty, than poor and innocent".
Sounds pretty cynical, but there is some truth to it.
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The judicial system must always and completely avoid even the appearance of impropriety and in this case they absolutely did not.
Sounds like the introduction to a fairy tale......and they all lived happily ever after.

I always keep in mind that judges started out as attorneys. I've known more than my fair share of shady attorneys.

Years ago I was in court on a zoning permit issue. The judge made a comment that I found quite offensive. I asked him if that was a legal-based comment or a personal comment, because if it was a personal comment, that opened up a whole new dialogue that I was more than eager to engage with him. He looked at the court recorder and told her to strike his comment from the record.
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Just out of curiousity, are all judges in the US elected? Or just criminal court judges? To the best of my knowledge, all judges in Canada are appointed. Actually, I'm 100% sure of that because I've never voted for a judge.
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Sounds like the introduction to a fairy tale......and they all lived happily ever after.

I always keep in mind that judges started out as attorneys. I've known more than my fair share of shady attorneys.

Years ago I was in court on a zoning permit issue. The judge made a comment that I found quite offensive. I asked him if that was a legal-based comment or a personal comment, because if it was a personal comment, that opened up a whole new dialogue that I was more than eager to engage with him. He looked at the court recorder and told her to strike his comment from the record.
You are right Wolfie, it's certainly not reality. However, that is the ultimate goal the judicial system should be striving towards. Being made up of humans, it doesn't help because we're always prone to failure.
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Just out of curiousity, are all judges in the US elected? Or just criminal court judges? To the best of my knowledge, all judges in Canada are appointed. Actually, I'm 100% sure of that because I've never voted for a judge.
I believe at the county level they are voted in. Above that they are appointed. Which makes no sense to me at all. It may vary from state to state. (I have no idea what a "county" would be equivalent to in Canada. It would be the next smaller delineation to a province.)
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