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Old 11-25-2008, 06:58 PM   #1
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Why, are we as painters and paperhangers, expected to clean up after other trades?

Or am I the only one who experiences this?

Certainly you all find crap left behind by those "other" guys. And the worse offenders? well, that's a tuff one.

But we were in a very high scale condo in down town Boston and a Sparky walked in to install a pair of sconces over the the BRAND NEW lavatory sink and an outlet in a hall that we were to paper.

here are the pictures after he left. Look familiar ??


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Old 11-25-2008, 07:01 PM   #2
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I see that as an opportunity rather than an obstacle. If the homeowner is around, I ask for a broom or something to clean up the mess. The homeowner appreciates it. In fact we get compliments about how well we clean up. (normally vacumn, or swiffer everyday) It's important. Specially with the female of the house.
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BB has a good point, show the HOs who cares about their home. Also, when we are done, the house looks the best it has during construction/remodel.
One GC we do a lot of NC for has a great PM, keeps a clean site and supports our backcharges. It is funny when we run into some trades on another GC's job, "oh great, better clean up our mess or that painter will have a fit!'
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Oh sure, sure, we DO leave the house better than the HO gave it to us, but that ain't the point.

I'm sorry, I'm not some freakin sparky's maid !!



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It all started when the first guy cleaned it up. If we never cleaned it up and just left a note saying " the carpenters mess" we would not be at this point.
But as we all know we will always go the extra mile and make it spotless, therefore opening us up for crap left behind.
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It all started when the first guy cleaned it up. If we never cleaned it up and just left a note saying " the carpenters mess" we would not be at this point.
But as we all know we will always go the extra mile and make it spotless, therefore opening us up for crap left behind.
FUNNY Kelly.

I knew it was our fault - just unsure as to why !



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Maybe we should clean it up and put it in a box taped shut. Leave a note saying "Please call sparky, he left this behind."

Just imagine how pissed he'd be when he came back and opened the box.
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You should post this on contractortalk. Right by the thread I started about knucklehead contractors and silicone caulk.
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You should post this on contractortalk. Right by the thread I started about knucklehead contractors and silicone caulk.
I was thinking it would make a good "Kill Point" especially with bikerboy's box idea.



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I was thinking it would make a good "Kill Point" especially with bikerboy's box idea.
I agree. Have it in my inbox by this time tomorrow.
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I agree. Have it in my inbox by this time tomorrow.
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but seriously, are you serious? I can, and will, if you are
I take the Installer very seriously. Do it.
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Maybe we should clean it up and put it in a box taped shut. Leave a note saying "Please call sparky, he left this behind."

Just imagine how pissed he'd be when he came back and opened the box.
Hahaha!!!
I gotta do that on my next GC job.
Cheers for that BB.

daArch, it's sooo annoying ain't it?!
I used to paint a lot of Pubs that shut down for the refurb. On site the Painters are the lowest of the low. Just glossed up... Chippy would come in and shoot in some doors, leave his dust everywhere. Sparks, as you rightly show, leave wire off cuts and dust from chasing out a wall. To boot, there are tool boxes strewn right across the work site.

Then, the floor layer comes in whining and groaning wanting everyone out before he lays a floor and the site is cleaned within half an hour. WTF?!

When I was just starting out as a Painter and Decorator, I used to be on site with my Dad and I have seen him knock seven shades of 5h!T out of trades for ruining his gloss work with dust and also for showing no respect for his finished work.
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Didn't know which forum this belongs, so here it sits.

Why, are we as painters and paperhangers, expected to clean up after other trades?

Or am I the only one who experiences this?

Certainly you all find crap left behind by those "other" guys. And the worse offenders? well, that's a tuff one.

But we were in a very high scale condo in down town Boston and a Sparky walked in to install a pair of sconces over the the BRAND NEW lavatory sink and an outlet in a hall that we were to paper.

here are the pictures after he left. Look familiar ??


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see i am little professional as far as taking care of cleaning others created mess. i see if the client is good not too much fussy about the money, i give him quality and try to make him happy in whatever ways (i dont over do it, but do what ever i am comfortable doing it, i do) i can
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see i am little professional as far as taking care of cleaning others created mess. i see if the client is good not too much fussy about the money, i give him quality and try to make him happy in whatever ways (i dont over do it, but do what ever i am comfortable doing it, i do) i can
I am sure that we all are professional and leave a home clean, even cleaner than when we found it. And that is why I am just shocked and amazed when I see other "professionals" not clean up their crap.

When painting (and I've told this story before - just can't remember if here yet), we were doing an exterior of new house. Came back on a Monday and the weekend plasterers had taken our planks (wooden back then) and had used them. Left them in the area they were skimming with MOUNDS of dried palster on them.

As a sign of appreciation, we "borrowed" one of their 5's and used it as a toilet for the last few days of the job, put a cover on it, and left it with their stuff.



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As a sign of appreciation, we "borrowed" one of their 5's and used it as a toilet for the last few days of the job, put a cover on it, and left it with their stuff.
I did that to a plasterer about 8 years ago. I put it right in his box truck. I wish I was there to see him open it.
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Plasterer is the worst... admittedly it is a messy business but leaving behind 5gs of mud everywhere . I'll clean a mess if I can't work but otherwise I just move things out of the way. GCs job to keep the site clean, not mine. Someone's home is another story... but still has to stay within reason. Sweeping up some dust no big deal.
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