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Old 12-07-2008, 10:44 PM   #21
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I am sure that we all are professional and leave a home clean, even cleaner than when we found it. And that is why I am just shocked and amazed when I see other "professionals" not clean up their crap. Thanks Arch.

Here is the key. All trades are responsible for cleaning up their own Ship! I am sure that there are responsible people in every trade that are sure to clean up after themselves, and there are those who will simply leave their mess for others to clean up. Is there a solution, maybe not. I once told some fine young electricians who were working in an older home that they couldn't make any holes that I could not fix. Well they made 1 foot by 15 foot hole right above the baseboard. The homeowner was furious, and told me that the electricians were going to have to pay for my repair work. It was an additional $200 for the HO, and I am not sure if the electricians were charged, but I doubt it.

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Old 12-08-2008, 12:19 AM   #22
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It is the one thing that just infuriates me, I clean it up but it just slam pi$$es me off for another trade to be so disrespectful for the HO, job site and the reputation of themselves. It's like they think there is a "cleanup fairy" that will take care of their mess.
I like the idea of leaving a present in the 5'er!
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Old 12-08-2008, 11:50 AM   #23
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I work for a lady that has an extra 'prep' bill that is separate from the main estimate - I am not quite sure how she wins estimates with a portion of the estimate unknown - but she goes ahead and will clean a mess like that up, and add it to the 'prep' bill. Another technique is to build a certain amount of time for stuff like this into our production #'s that is espoused in the Craftsman manuals. Problem is - if you start taking into account stuff like direct overhead, indirect overhead, profit, etc. And build you hourly rate - you may begin to realize that painting is actually a real business - and tactics like lowering your rate to $28/hr will cause you to go under.
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Old 12-21-2008, 03:49 PM   #24
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Here's a pic of a job I started yesterday. It's a 4500 square foot (ceiling and wall area) new build house. The carpenters left me this little Xmas present :/

The sheeting fixing is also a mess - Burst boards/bad screwing and fixing etc but that's another story - I'll post some progress pics on that as it's a tape/prime and paint job.

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Old 12-21-2008, 05:22 PM   #25
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Sling the firkin lot straight out the window.

Job jobbed

Are you doing the T&J and the skirts?
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Old 12-21-2008, 05:49 PM   #26
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If I had an oil drum I could use it to keep warm and burn a few paint kettles out.

I'm doing the taping but not the skirts or any other woodwork - Me and wood don't get on very well.
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Old 01-14-2009, 02:14 AM   #27
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this has been driving me nuts since i was 11 years old Arch--good point!

My dad taught me then, that no matter what, since we were the last ones in the house, everything would automatically be our fault if it was white in color. that meant that the drywall repair guys would come in, patch and spray texture without putting an ounce of tape or paper or a dropcloth anywhere, and leave a mess. now, i was 11 frickin years old and knew that this was lazy and it p***ed me off then to no end. the only way to deal with it was to point it out repeatedly to the builder and then put a backcharge out to the drywall company. one builder would not pay us because it was his "touchup guy" that went around doing this and he could not believe that he was this messy--even after we took the builder around to show him the 30 or places in the houses that this guy was leaving behind. he still wouldn't accept our backcharge and we eventually quit working for him after a few unpaid bills. in the end, it was a great feeling of vindication for us; however, that builder still lives one of the sweetest lives i've ever seen; much sweeter than mine!
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Back charge'em. the electrodes did this kinda stuff to us as well so during sprays we would take the time to braid there wires for them to "make it nice". Drywall finishers are the worst where we work, They are Easy to get back at. Lucky buckets, hey look they over sanded, Wow when rotozip goes wild. But that was in my younger years, ahhhh the bad ol days. It all came to an end when I handed an informal handwritten bill to the field super for the clean up. Now they have put into place a $200.00 fine for all trades that do not clean up.
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Old 01-30-2009, 10:27 PM   #29
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Didn't know which forum this belongs, so here it sits.

Why, are we as painters and paperhangers, expected to clean up after other trades?

Or am I the only one who experiences this?
Drywall mud splattered all over the place sucks. I always have to clean it up.



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I see that as an opportunity rather than an obstacle. If the homeowner is around, I ask for a broom or something to clean up the mess. The homeowner appreciates it. In fact we get compliments about how well we clean up. (normally vacumn, or swiffer everyday) It's important. Specially with the female of the house.
It does make a huge difference in their eyes, so I do it with a smile without running down the other crews.
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Here's a pic of a job I started yesterday. It's a 4500 square foot (ceiling and wall area) new build house. The carpenters left me this little Xmas present :/

The sheeting fixing is also a mess - Burst boards/bad screwing and fixing etc but that's another story - I'll post some progress pics on that as it's a tape/prime and paint job.

You guys in the UK start before the drywall is even finished?

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You guys in the UK start before the drywall is even finished?

I taped the drywall. It's now at the stage where it's all primed, ceilings painted and walls first coated. Second coat will go on the walls once all the laminate floor is down and the woodwork is all finished.
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