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Old 02-25-2015, 03:44 PM   #61
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I vote 'NO'. Pick a charity and give the money to it. Perhaps a Veteran's group, just not Wounded Warriors.

Off topic, somewhat: guess how many Grammy's that Led Zeppelin, The Who, Jimi Hendrix and Chuck Berry have won combined.
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I am amazed. Here is Cricket trying to do some thing good for this forum and so many are just about crying over it.

Yeah I got nominated and know I wont win. To me being nominated means I am doing some good on here. If more members would get involved in this maybe some of you who think they will never get nominated or even win will have a better chance.

I know a select few will get nominated over and over again for now, that's because the same few people nominate them and vote for them but they don't think about others who may be just as deserving.

I can't remember who I nominated (I'm bad with names and can't remember his), he was a noobie, he had maybe 20 posts at the time. He seemed like a decent kid just starting out on his own.
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Basically, we're all just entitled tenants that want ownership and control of this internet facility. Don't let it happen PT! Stick to your standards or you're likely to experience the same problems Driftwood had at his apartment job!
CA, let me ask you a question; did willfully enter PPOTM by filling out an entry form? or, were you entered as a contestant by default, by the PT admins? Normally when there is a contest, you actually have to make the conscience decision to enter the contest, (so in this example, you would have full control over your entry).

I think it's very unfair to place peers/friends, in a competitive position, every (3) months. Especially if the criteria to win, is not tangible. Thus far, the winners have done nothing special for any particular month or quarter to win. Instead, the winners have been the long time, high posting, "we like the guy" members.

For example, I was a master painter by the year 1995. And since then, I have mastered paperhanging and drywall finishing as well. I have also been self-employed for 25 years in this trade. Sure, I have all the credentials needed to win. However, I most likely will never be considered for PPOTQ, due to politics and favoritism.
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I vote 'NO'. Pick a charity and give the money to it. Perhaps a Veteran's group, just not Wounded Warriors.

Off topic, somewhat: guess how many Grammy's that Led Zeppelin, The Who, Jimi Hendrix and Chuck Berry have won combined.
why not?
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CA, let me ask you a question; did willfully enter PPOTM by filling out an entry form? or, were you entered as a contestant by default, by the PT admins? Normally when there is a contest, you actually have to make the conscience decision to enter the contest, (so in this example, you would have full control over your entry).

I think it's very unfair to place peers/friends, in a competitive position, every (3) months. Especially if the criteria to win, is not tangible. Thus far, the winners have done nothing special for any particular month or quarter to win. Instead, the winners have been the long time, high posting, "we like the guy" members.

For example, I was a master painter by the year 1995. And since then, I have mastered paperhanging and drywall finishing as well. I have also been self-employed for 25 years in this trade. Sure, I have all the credentials needed to win. However, I most likely will never be considered for PPOTQ, due to politics and favoritism.
I don't think there is a person out there that can( or would) confidently say that,

welllllll, except you of course the master of painting and drywall and paper hanging, why are you here with all of us peasants
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I don't think there is a person out there that can( or would) confidently say that,

welllllll, except you of course the master of painting and drywall and paper hanging, why are you here with all of us peasants
Because I love you!
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CA, let me ask you a question; did willfully enter PPOTM by filling out an entry form? or, were you entered as a contestant by default, by the PT admins? Normally when there is a contest, you actually have to make the conscience decision to enter the contest, (so in this example, you would have full control over your entry).

I think it's very unfair to place peers/friends, in a competitive position, every (3) months. Especially if the criteria to win, is not tangible. Thus far, the winners have done nothing special for any particular month or quarter to win. Instead, the winners have been the long time, high posting, "we like the guy" members.

For example, I was a master painter by the year 1995. And since then, I have mastered paperhanging and drywall finishing as well. I have also been self-employed for 25 years in this trade. Sure, I have all the credentials needed to win. However, I most likely will never be considered for PPOTQ, due to politics and favoritism.
Maybe I'm tired, but I don't understand what you're trying to say. I actually did not want to be in the contest, but apparently there were members who nominated me for what ever their reasons. So I accepted my nomination as a sign of respect to those members. Did i think I would win? Not in a million years.

And if anyone thinks that by signing up as a Master Painter on a free internet site entitles them to be garnished with awards, I think they are kidding themselves.

My advice is, if anyone wants to be completely recognized and respected for their mastery of the painting trade, that they contact their local PDCA, SSPC, or NACE membership branch and get involved with the activities that elevate our trade. Otherwise, kick back and enjoy the freestyle nature of Paint Talk, and don't allow friendly competition to burden you with envy, dissapointment, or the seriousness of needing to be recognized and respected.
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I am amazed. Here is Cricket trying to do some thing good for this forum and so many are just about crying over it.

Yeah I got nominated and know I wont win. To me being nominated means I am doing some good on here. If more members would get involved in this maybe some of you who think they will never get nominated or even win will have a better chance.

I know a select few will get nominated over and over again for now, that's because the same few people nominate them and vote for them but they don't think about others who may be just as deserving.

I can't remember who I nominated (I'm bad with names and can't remember his), he was a noobie, he had maybe 20 posts at the time. He seemed like a decent kid just starting out on his own.
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I am going to clarify what this thread is for, one more time.

1. Vote if you would like to keep the Paint Pro of The Quarter Program. Yes or No.

2. If you would prefer not to have the Paint Pro of the Quarter program, then feel free to offer an alternative idea for some contests or giveaways.
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CA, let me ask you a question; did willfully enter PPOTM by filling out an entry form? or, were you entered as a contestant by default, by the PT admins? Normally when there is a contest, you actually have to make the conscience decision to enter the contest, (so in this example, you would have full control over your entry).

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For example, I was a master painter by the year 1995. And since then, I have mastered paperhanging and drywall finishing as well. I have also been self-employed for 25 years in this trade. Sure, I have all the credentials needed to win. However, I most likely will never be considered for PPOTQ, due to politics and favoritism.
It's not the politics and favoritism that will keep you out. It's the fact that you're pretentious.
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Just a thought. Rather than a contest or giveaway that benefits few, would it make sense to use that money to benefit a broader range of members? Maybe sponsoring some type of webinar that provides professional training on some of the most asked questions?
Would there be an interest in that?
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Is this a real thread? I'm starting to think you guy and gals are messing with me.

Everyone's expectations are WAY to high. We're a bunch of painters! We got Mods trying to keep order, Admins trying to negotiate...with painters!

Do you know any painters beside yourself? You know, that dirty long haired guy at the paint store every morning. He's always asking stupid questions. I can't stand painters! They are some of the worst people in our society.

And here you are...trying to reason with them!
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May I very respectfully suggest that the "paint talk prize" could be painters caps and t shirts with the paint talk logo on them, and fairly distributed to the top 25 posters on this forum. Then everybody wins.
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May I very respectfully suggest that the "paint talk prize" could be painters caps and t shirts with the paint talk logo on them, and fairly distributed to the top 25 posters on this forum. Then everybody wins.
We are already working on that using points.
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I wish I had let this thread play out before voting. I happen to think the best interest of the owners is in line with the best interest of the users. And that is more members, more posters, more viewers. I've been of the opinion that as silly as it seems the program was a good thing overall. But what's definitely not a good thing is the bickering and discontent it causes. That can only turn people off.

Maybe we Should start over on the idea. The way the award is worded doesn't correspond well with what it's actually for. The only criteria it's possible to vote on is somebody's posting. Instead of trying to make it prestigious sounding with stuff like "integrity" and "sound business skills", give a different award for adding good content. That's all we can do here anyway is add content.

Maybe a "thread of the month" or "post of the month" or something. Based on views maybe, or a voting process like we have now.

I wish PT could grow out of its infancy. I know there are a million painters out there that could share a trick or two with me and I fear a lot of them decline to do so here partially because of things like the negative banter that's been generated by this whole deal.

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The measure I'm using to determine if there's any validity to the bickering and critical comments directed at PT's decision to offer a contest where members can actually be rewarded with a monetary gift, is that no painting contractor here would ever allow their employees to run rough shod over them after displaying a kind and generous gesture.

And although the membership continues to function as a support system for PT's core business of ad generation and member acquisition, given the interesting, informative, entertaining, and even controversial content we provide, we are still an all volunteer group that should be grateful for whatever gifts are offered our way.

One suggestion to even the playing field, is to reward not only the charming members, but equally reward the less charming ones. We could rotate quarterly.

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The measure I'm using to determine if there's any validity to the bickering and critical comments directed at PT's decision to offer a contest where members can actually be rewarded with a monetary gift, is that no painting contractor here would ever allow their employees to run rough shod over them after displaying a kind and generous gesture.

And although the membership continues to function as a support system for PT's core business of ad generation and member acquisition, given the interesting, informative, entertaining, and even controversial content we provide, we are still an all volunteer group that should be grateful for whatever gifts are offered our way.

One suggestion to even the playing field, is to reward not only the charming members, but equally reward the less charming ones. We could rotate quarterly.

I am charming AND have over 6,700 posts
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It seems reasonable to me since the members who are critical of the program, believe that nominations and votes are based purely on one's popularity, longevity, and post count rather then their painting prowess.

It's not like we can vote for the worst painter. A lousy painter wouldn't be here in the first place. Right?
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It seems reasonable to me since the members who are critical of the program, believe that nominations and votes are based purely on one's popularity, longevity, and post count rather then their painting prowess.

It's not like we can vote for the worst painter. A lousy painter wouldn't be here in the first place. Right?
at the risk of being chided for not staying OT . . . .

John, I don't know if you said that sarcastically or not. But it is very much true that the great majority here are far more professional and quality orientated than the majority of "professional" painters I see out in the real world. From this group, to single out members who "embody traits such as integrity, knowledge, and sound business skills" seems a bit redundant.



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