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Old 10-19-2010, 11:03 PM   #21
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Every BM product is top of the line 5 star stuff? Don't be silly. Like those blanket statements when people say BM is the best! Oh really? How, which products? Compared to what?

Then that leads to peoples perceptions of what a good product is. What might be good enough for you might be bottom of my list. OR a specific product might excel in one area and fail in a dozen areas. Covers great but wont level, difficult to spread, time consuming to use etc.

Example of the BS reviews plaguing the internet. A popular review site collectively gives Aura a 4.44 out of 5. One reviewer who rated 5 stars wrote, "Benjamin Moore is a fantastic brand of paint." Its collectively a brand?

and another person rated 5 stars wrote "We were quite pleased with how well the paint went on no dripping and no harsh smell!! I didn't even have any paint on me other than my hands when I was using it!

Really? That deserves 5 for sure! Its silly really. Just plain stupid in fact
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Old 10-20-2010, 08:47 AM   #22
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I agree JP, maybe the review section needs an asterisk. Or needs to include expectations. Did the product meet your expectations, and what did you think of it overall? Keep in mind that most reviews are from DIY's, not professionals. A pro can give a much more reliable review, they typically know what to expect.
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But you can pretty much pick up any BM product and it will perform great. Hard to say its the best because you would have to compare it to every single product on the market. I imagine that would be hundreds of products for each paint.

HO's that hire a contractor care about different things than applicators do.

Price, color, durability, smell. That has been the general order of the concerns I hear.

Painters would be more like ..

Workability, time to recoat, and durability.

I think BM does a fairly good job marketing to both, of course as I said the quality of the paint sells itself to me.
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I like this idea NC.

And also, its about the product and not the company manufacturer that would be reviewed, although, I'd say that would be relevant to an extent.

I don't usually consider valspar or behr a goto product line, but if there is a stellar product in them, I wouldn't be opposed to trying it once or twice.

And as for the possible flaming in this section, we adults might be able to police ourselves. If not, theres the notify mod button if it goes off topic. They have been well practiced at deleting what they deem off-topic posts...
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I agree JP, maybe the review section needs an asterisk. Or needs to include expectations. Did the product meet your expectations, and what did you think of it overall? Keep in mind that most reviews are from DIY's, not professionals. A pro can give a much more reliable review, they typically know what to expect.
Paint reviews is really such an exhaustingly lengthy process. Think about all the various applications and substrates you can use a single gallon of paint on, not only that but the variations of each. The conditions etc. Its a PITA!

At minimum stuff like: "I used Aura eggshell to cover semi-gloss SW6088 on smooth drywall in 2 coats effortlessly" is very helpful information.

RE: "Keep in mind that most reviews are from DIY's, not professionals". I get that but those same pro's rated promar 200 high. Ive seen it on this board!

See.. its tricky business. 200 is not "quality" in my book no matter which way you shake a stick at it. But guys rave about it. Their expectations are different than mine.

Product comes down to it can or cant do specific things. A Ford Focus cant do 0-60 in 2 secs.

Just sayin
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TJ & straight_lines, you guys pointed out very valid points. I think for us we need coverage, recoat time, ease of use and durability and while that "describes most every product on the market its not always easy to find product living up to how they market them.

I remember asking the question awhile back "How can a consumer know what is a quality paint"? The answer is -they dont. You dont, I dont, nobody knows, there are no guidelines, no ingredients, no nothing to go by to pick up a gallon of paint and figure out if its "quality". But everyone tells you to buy a "quality" paint.
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TJ & straight_lines, you guys pointed out very valid points. I think for us we need coverage, recoat time, ease of use and durability and while that "describes most every product on the market its not always easy to find product living up to how they market them.

I remember asking the question awhile back "How can a consumer know what is a quality paint"? The answer is -they dont. You dont, I dont, nobody knows, there are no guidelines, no ingredients, no nothing to go by to pick up a gallon of paint and figure out if its "quality". But everyone tells you to buy a "quality" paint.
There are some paints that I really like but I don't really know how durable it is or how washable it is...I haven't found many eggshell acrylic paints or flats that do not burnish when wiping a dirty wall...The customer always asks for a paint that is durable enough for a 3 yr old to abuse...I always respond with a BS product that [if I'm honest} I'm really unsure of because I don't wipe walls a year after I paint a place with a particular product.

I'm just told by the paint store reps that the most expensive lines and the higher the sheen, the more washable.
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Josey I found a few that were very durable, used for years for customers and my family alike. I can say they do clean without burnishing because I clean them weekly in my on kitchen, deep vibrant color as well.

As Ben Moore transitions all their paint into gennex, I will be doing some initial tests on the application, and coverage. Durability will have to be tested for a few years minimum before I can say they perform like the old product line.

I have been happy with application end of the one replacement I have tested, Regal soft gloss exterior.
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