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Old 11-14-2015, 08:48 PM   #21
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if you do roll it I have had the best luck with oil base ,
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if you do roll it I have had the best luck with oil base ,
Oil base rolled on a popcorn ceiling?

Dave, are you yanking our chain? I mean, in a way I see some logic; oil won't rewet the acoustic bond. But in all my bad dreams about painting, I've never had the nightmare of painting a popcorn ceiling with oil.
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I hate doing popcorn ceilings and will do everything I can to talk the HO into considering removal of the stuff and retexturing or going over it with new sheetrock. When I do them, I also hate the extensive amount of taping, and masking involved and the resulting waste that ends up going into a landfill. I did almost all of the ceilings of a place two weeks ago and truly feel it was my last.
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"so ... do i qualify to post a answer to your question ? "
Um...yeah...lol
If I could delete that part from the original post, I would...haha
Well, everyone has one and some people are one...heehee.
pointing the finger this way, of course.

I've worked for myself for fourteen years, painting (80%) and installing (18% and removing (2%) wallcoverings...almost all has been residential and, as soon as I could, I swore off all outside work.

But, I've only sprayed 2%, if that, of the painting jobs and haven't purchased a sprayer in 10 years. My daughter, who I taught, helps, 20% of the time. I posted because I figured I was going to have to get a new spray system because of the popcorn ceilings and I wanted to bounce the idea off of other painting pros. Yes, I consider myself a pro. I advertised for two years; then, stopped. I never wanted a crew and the headaches associated with employing others. Everyone has their goals and everyone is different. I've done it my way and it's worked for me. I'm not a slave to fashion or affluence. I'm 67 and enjoy what I do- working with my hands, pleasing customers who "repeat" with me and send me business. It's the way I like it. I had one customer ask if I would paint a new rental that he purchased. And then this other customer wants their whole townhouse painted...the one with the popcorn ceilings. This is enough business to consider the purchase of a spray system. So, I posted...granted, without consideration...and came across as condescending. So my public apologies to ALL who read the OP. I figure I'm not different than anyone else. I'm human. If there are others here who haven't made mistakes, I'll take them under my wing and show them how to...make mistakes lol
Thanks for every ones' advice and comments. I never, ever, want to stop learning.
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"so ... do i qualify to post a answer to your question ? "
Um...yeah...lol
If I could delete that part from the original post, I would...haha
Well, everyone has one and some people are one...heehee.
pointing the finger this way, of course.

I've worked for myself for fourteen years, painting (80%) and installing (18% and removing (2%) wallcoverings...almost all has been residential and, as soon as I could, I swore off all outside work.

But, I've only sprayed 2%, if that, of the painting jobs and haven't purchased a sprayer in 10 years. My daughter, who I taught, helps, 20% of the time. I posted because I figured I was going to have to get a new spray system because of the popcorn ceilings and I wanted to bounce the idea off of other painting pros. Yes, I consider myself a pro. I advertised for two years; then, stopped. I never wanted a crew and the headaches associated with employing others. Everyone has their goals and everyone is different. I've done it my way and it's worked for me. I'm not a slave to fashion or affluence. I'm 67 and enjoy what I do- working with my hands, pleasing customers who "repeat" with me and send me business. It's the way I like it. I had one customer ask if I would paint a new rental that he purchased. And then this other customer wants their whole townhouse painted...the one with the popcorn ceilings. This is enough business to consider the purchase of a spray system. So, I posted...granted, without consideration...and came across as condescending. So my public apologies to ALL who read the OP. I figure I'm not different than anyone else. I'm human. If there are others here who haven't made mistakes, I'll take them under my wing and show them how to...make mistakes lol
Thanks for every ones' advice and comments. I never, ever, want to stop learning.
You may not know much about popcorn, but you're the man when it comes to percentages.
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Oil base rolled on a popcorn ceiling?

Dave, are you yanking our chain? I mean, in a way I see some logic; oil won't rewet the acoustic bond. But in all my bad dreams about painting, I've never had the nightmare of painting a popcorn ceiling with oil.
I've done numerous ceiling with an oil primer. Most of the condos here built in the 80s-2000s have precast concrete slab flooring/ceilings. It's typically sprayed with popcorn and back in the day we'd always oil prime it when it was new and being painted for the first time. I'd use a 1-1/4 nap sleeve and never had the stuff pull on me.
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I remember spraying a ceiling in a garage years ago and hearing something hit the floor behind me. It was about a 4' square section of acoustic texture hitting the floor, leaving bare sheetrock behind.
Thanks for that tidbit Slinger. I'm spraying popcorn on Monday. I guess sleeping well this weekend is out of the question.....
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You asked for advice for someone with experience, so... I own both an HVLP and a Graco 395 and I tell you; buy the HVLP and try to do this type of stuff at your own peril. HVLPs are good for what they are intended for - smaller, fine finish work. NOT for popcorn ceilings or any type of big surface work. And if I was to buy an HVLP now, knowing what I know, I wouldn't buy anything smaller than a six stage - and never from HD.

And for what it's worth, never preface your posts with the admonition that you only want people with experience to reply. Most of us here are pros with tons of experience. Stating that in the title of your thread isn't good form and will keep a lot of good people from replying just because they didn't care for the tone of your post. Just saying'.

I sprayed a small room of lay in ceiling tile (and grid) ONCE with an HVLP and, unfortunately, this thread reminded me of that day. It finally looked decent after spraying from ALL 4 directions.


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Old 11-15-2015, 01:35 AM   #29
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"Advice needed from someone with experience ONLY"

I have 37+ years full time in the painting trade

in that time i've sprayed, brushed, rolled & spilled a lot of paint

painted interior & exterior

commercial & residential

run crews of 80+ painters for for multi millions dollars jobs

painted hotels, condos, hi rise, theme parks, casinos, convention centers,
homes, warehouses, stores, offices, jails and 1 prison & done my share of volunteer work

hired, fired, supervised & baby sitted painters of all levels

started my own company, built it to run itself with a solid crew while i go fishing when i feel like it

made money, lost money, owed money and had money owed to me

so ... do i qualify to post a answer to your question ?

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No, more experience needed
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Oil base rolled on a popcorn ceiling?

Dave, are you yanking our chain? I mean, in a way I see some logic; oil won't rewet the acoustic bond. But in all my bad dreams about painting, I've never had the nightmare of painting a popcorn ceiling with oil.
You mean like this?



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I think I passed the "experienced" mark a decade or more ago. Other posters here have too, they're just not owning up to it (Repaint did).

Anyhow, don't even consider the HVLP route. You'd probably die from the experience.

Two things first and foremost:
1. It's gonna take at least twice as much paint as you think.

2. Have an understanding with the client at the very beginning that in the event that some portion of the popcorn ceiling decides to "let go" and hit the floor, you are in no way responsible.

Rolling is more subject to pulling it off, but spraying is no guarantee it won't.
I remember spraying a ceiling in a garage years ago and hearing something hit the floor behind me. It was about a 4' square section of acoustic texture hitting the floor, leaving bare sheetrock behind.

This can happen even when there is no evidence of water damage.

At this point in my "experienced" life, I don't paint popcorn ceilings.
This has happened to me on a cpl different jobs. Once was in a bathroom. 15 min after I sprayed in a bathroom it all came down. Everywhere except the mud joints. Humidity from the shower I assumed. Once in a modular home it all came down. All of it.
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Spray it. A cheap little airless would almost pay itself off on that one job. Hvlp no way. Just as well roll it then. Would probably be faster. I spray all my ceilings but I have seen the covers that are made for it. They have little breaks in the nap that go all the way around the cover. Never used them but they were made for rolling acoustic.
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I know I went a bit overboard but, I went ahead and ordered one that I can use for two OTHER spray jobs. Thanks for the paint quantity warning. I already anticipated everything sucking up the paint...It hasn't been painted in twenty years! I'm not going to use a roller...even a roller wand on a spray unit. I will provide a caveat to the H O (another good idea) regarding the popcorn possibly coming loose. I went with a Graco Ultra 395 Airless Paint Sprayer - Special. Portland Compressor seemed to have the best deal. Everyone on Amazon or Ebay is trying to pick up the cost of being the "man-in-the-middle."
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Thank you to all of the highly qualified replies. I'll be more attentive to my titles in the future.
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The thread gives me a flashback.
This one apt complex way back now I'm going, they had popcorn ceilings. I used to roll em. Another guy was using one of these. Kinda. More or less the same tool? Haha you'd here it mmmmmmm.......
I didn't even know any better then. A Airless? Seemed like a big deal. I used to dip and get about a sq ft at a time. Matted the roller right down to a smoothie on the first dip. Haha
And that Wagner whatever it is was no solution. Imagine the ineptitude.
Probably used to spend a couple of hours on the ceilings alone in a small unit
Now? I'd paint all the ceilings on the whole floor in a short day.
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I know I went a bit overboard but, I went ahead and ordered one that I can use for two OTHER spray jobs. Thanks for the paint quantity warning. I already anticipated everything sucking up the paint...It hasn't been painted in twenty years! I'm not going to use a roller...even a roller wand on a spray unit. I will provide a caveat to the H O (another good idea) regarding the popcorn possibly coming loose. I went with a Graco Ultra 395 Airless Paint Sprayer - Special. Portland Compressor seemed to have the best deal. Everyone on Amazon or Ebay is trying to pick up the cost of being the "man-in-the-middle."
You won't be sorry to have gone with the 395. Good little machine that can do just about anything for you and usually priced pretty nicely too. Portland Compressor is a class outfit IMO.
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Portland compressor was my "go to" shop for years! Until I moved to Seattle,that is. Happy spraying. Make sure you cross spray it, you'll be fine. If it's been painted before it should hold up fine....yes a 515 tip and knock it outta the park!
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