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Old 05-02-2010, 01:31 PM   #1
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I'm looking for an airless sprayer that's small, lightweight and portable for really fine finishes (both water based and lacquers). I'd appreciate your input. Thanks!
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A graco 395 Air Assisted Airless is suppose to be nice. I have no experience with it and going off my own experience I would recommend something like a graco 390 or 395 with a fine finish tip. I run bigger spray rigs but small and light weight were part of the question.
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The 395 AAA is anything but light weight - but it is a great machine. Maybe a smaller unit like the 290, or as work suggests; a 390/395 with a fine finish tip.

Not sure what kind of waterbased your referring to but a 4 stage turbine hvlp would work also for fine finishes. It all depends on what kind of production you expect from it and how 'easy to use' you need it to be.
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Default airless sprayer for fine finishes

I'm not big on spraying but more work seems to come my way where its required. I own a Binks system (conventional cup gun assembly - external mix), but its way too slow so I'm looking for something way faster but not something heavy with acres of hose to get tangled in. I've currently got 2 wall units to finish - one requires a fine painted finish (water based). I'm going to use Cloverdale paint (my favorite of all the brands I've used over the years - their Waterborne product specifically. The other job will be applying a clear coat (lacquer) on maple.
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The 395 AAA is anything but light weight - but it is a great machine. Maybe a smaller unit like the 290, or as work suggests; a 390/395 with a fine finish tip.

Not sure what kind of waterbased your referring to but a 4 stage turbine hvlp would work also for fine finishes. It all depends on what kind of production you expect from it and how 'easy to use' you need it to be.
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Titan 440i are good machines. They have the quick change packing system wich makes it easy and inexpensive to change.

The graco is good machine too. I have owned a few 190es for light work spraying wich are great.
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Of the 2 (Titan 440i vs Graco) which one do you recommend?
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Titan 440i are good machines. They have the quick change packing system wich makes it easy and inexpensive to change.

The graco is good machine too. I have owned a few 190es for light work spraying wich are great.
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Of the 2 (Titan 440i vs Graco) which one do you recommend?
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This is kind of a Purdy or Wooster question.
Myself I am a Graco guy. I find them to be dependable and easy to work on. Titan are often a little bit cheaper on the wallet though. My take on it is Titan, Wagner, Spraytech (all the same company) try real hard to be second to graco.
Both will be willing to work hard for you and both if taken care of will provide you with many years of service.
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Mmm...Purdy vs Wooster ...I see what you're saying. I only use Purdy 3" synthetic angle brushes with the extra long bristles whenever I can. Getting back to airless sprayers ...I didn't realize that Titan, Wagner and Spraytech were all the same company. Thanks for the information. Rena
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This is kind of a Purdy or Wooster question.
Myself I am a Graco guy. I find them to be dependable and easy to work on. Titan are often a little bit cheaper on the wallet though. My take on it is Titan, Wagner, Spraytech (all the same company) try real hard to be second to graco.
Both will be willing to work hard for you and both if taken care of will provide you with many years of service.
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Of the 2 (Titan 440i vs Graco) which one do you recommend?
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Get both so this way you can test it yourself!!!
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I have been using the Titan 440i for ages... Had a Graco 395 once....

I do use the Graco FFT's (Fine Finish Tips). Titan FFT's suck...

I just finished a job a couple weeks ago, sprayed a latex finish on new paint grade wood cabinets. Turned out spectacular! The HO actually said they looked far better than something manufactured (having observed their friends cabinets)...
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We are currently testing the Graco Tradeworks 150 which is sold for $299 at SW and as a small use pump but we are trying to break it to see really what this little pump can do. It's 16 lbs vs 46 lbs for a 395.
I can tell you the finish with a FF tip is exactly like as if I used a 395.
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Of the 2 (Titan 440i vs Graco) which one do you recommend?
Thanks, Rena
The Titan 440 Impact has features the Graco does not.

Both have 7/8 hp motor
Both have max tip 0.23
Both have max gpm .54
Both have max psi 3300
The Titan weighs 35lbs the Graco weighs 61lbs (both on stand)
Titan has a digital display.
Both have easy out large manifold filter
Both have a way to (unstuck) inlet valves, the Titan uses a button and the Graco uses a hammer.
Titan has an auto oiler feature that allows you to press a button to get oil to the packings
Titan has a Lifetime motor warranty, Graco does not. (Apparently Graco does) Thanks for the correction Sean
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The Titan 440 Impact has features the Graco does not.

Both have 7/8 hp motor
Both have max tip 0.23
Both have max gpm .54
Both have max psi 3300
The Titan weighs 35lbs the Graco weighs 61lbs (both on stand)
Titan has a digital display.
Both have easy out large manifold filter
Both have a way to (unstuck) inlet valves, the Titan uses a button and the Graco uses a hammer.
Titan has an auto oiler feature that allows you to press a button to get oil to the packings
Titan has a Lifetime motor warranty, Graco does not.
Actually the graco has a lifetime motor warranty and a lifetime drivetrain warranty.
http://store.spraymallstore.com/grul395elaip.html
That weight is wrong too. the 395 on a stand is 42lbs.
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I would not be real excited about spraying lacquer and acrylic through the same airless. Cleaning would be a pain.
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Actually the graco has a lifetime motor warranty and a lifetime drivetrain warranty.
http://store.spraymallstore.com/grul395elaip.html
That weight is wrong too. the 395 on a stand is 42lbs.
I see that... when did that go into effect? You'll never guess who recently told me graco did not have the lifetime motor warranty. Are you sure on that 42 lbs because the site says 42/19 stand and the photo shows (stand unit shown).
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I see that... when did that go into effect? You'll never guess who recently told me graco did not have the lifetime motor warranty. Are you sure on that 42 lbs because the site says 42/19 stand and the photo shows (stand unit shown).
Pretty sure. The 42 is lbs and the 19 is the kg's
I don't have a 395 any more but I know that they are less than 50 lbs.
Must of been a graco man that misspoke.
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Wow, thanks for all the specs! I've decided to buy the Titan 440i but go with the Graco tips as they sound like they'll give me a better finish. I appreciate all the information you've all shared with me!
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The Titan 440 Impact has features the Graco does not.

Both have 7/8 hp motor
Both have max tip 0.23
Both have max gpm .54
Both have max psi 3300
The Titan weighs 35lbs the Graco weighs 61lbs (both on stand)
Titan has a digital display.
Both have easy out large manifold filter
Both have a way to (unstuck) inlet valves, the Titan uses a button and the Graco uses a hammer.
Titan has an auto oiler feature that allows you to press a button to get oil to the packings
Titan has a Lifetime motor warranty, Graco does not.
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Pretty sure. The 42 is lbs and the 19 is the kg's
I don't have a 395 any more but I know that they are less than 50 lbs.
Must of been a graco man that misspoke.
I bet you are right. I just weighed my STX its 36 lbs roughly on a stand.
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Wow, thanks for all the specs! I've decided to buy the Titan 440i but go with the Graco tips as they sound like they'll give me a better finish. I appreciate all the information you've all shared with me!
Regards, Rena
Nice choice. If you take care of it it should serve you for many years to come. I prefer the graco tips too.
If you find yourself switching from oil to waterbase a lot a second rig for one dedicated product will serve you well too.
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I bet you are right. I just weighed my STX its 36 lbs roughly on a stand.
You saved me from going and getting the 390 out of the garage and putting it on the scale.
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Actually the graco has a lifetime motor warranty and a lifetime drivetrain warranty.
http://store.spraymallstore.com/grul395elaip.html
That weight is wrong too. the 395 on a stand is 42lbs.
Yep Graco has a lifetime warranty, TILL somehting goes wrong with it, than Graco don't know you
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