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Old 01-16-2020, 07:45 PM   #21
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No, not everyone hates it, but a few here are very outspoken in their dislike. Just like any product, some have had good experiences with their products, others not so much.
and some of us worked for them and know that they had more complaints about SW products than any other product line they have ever sold. By a loooong margin too. Probably 25 to 1 at least.
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SW employs anticompetitive marketing and pricing strategies while offering a mediocre product and a toxic corporate culture. If convenience is your only reason to shop SW by all means continue to do so because soon that will be your only option.
yup. and sooner than anyone on this forum would think. And the "corporate culture"? Absolutely disgusting. And in some cases quite illegal.
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Hey PAC, you are by far the most outspoken critic of S-W. Why are you so bitter/scorned? You seem like an intelligent guy. What did they do to you for you to always be driving the haters bandwagon?


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Hey PAC, you are by far the most outspoken critic of S-W. Why are you so bitter/scorned? You seem like an intelligent guy. What did they do to you for you to always be driving the haters bandwagon?


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I'm with you gym, my sw store is fantastic and I've always had great reps.

Btw I learned yesterday that there's a promar ceiling paint. I'm going to give it a try, I recently switched from master hide to 400 but supposedly the promar ceiling paint is better.

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I too saw the promar ceiling yesterday and want to try it. I normally use promar 200 for my ceilings and superpaint for walls. My good friend is the regional manager and she tells me her honest opinion on what she thinks is good and what is not worth it. My local store people are amazing and seem to be honest as well. I don't paint everyday but yet they still know me by name every time come in the store.

They have told me that the satin sheen is not a true satin but not exactly a true eggshell either. That is what I use a lot. I don't really use any of the commercial grade stuff.
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Hey PAC, you are by far the most outspoken critic of S-W. Why are you so bitter/scorned? You seem like an intelligent guy. What did they do to you for you to always be driving the haters bandwagon?


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where do I start.....from the substandard products that they are well aware they are gouging people for...
the unbelievable way they treat their long term "excellent" employees..
ongoing and never ending nepotism...
Hiring employees as "favors" to friends and political figures....
barely controlled sexism....
and on, and on.
For 10 years I was "Mr. Sherwin Williams. Worked hard, got excellent performance reviews....saw many, many great employees get ****ed over for no good reasons.
Then it happened to me. Completely out of the blue I got screwed out of what I had been told for many years was my next position (with a fairly large increase in pay btw.) by a district manager who hired his college room mate to take that position. Even though that person had no paint store experience prior to the 18 months he worked in a retail store. He even attempted to not pay me a salary increase he had been sitting on for 8 months until I mentioned it was a legal issue not to do so. This district manager hired his college roommate for a position he was not even close to being qualified for without ever posting the position as "open" so anyone else (me) could apply for it.(a serious company policy violation)
I was offered a lateral move from San Diego to Los Angeles at the time but had conveniently found a job with Duron paint while I was on vacation. So I gave notice and moved back to Ohio. And I've said **** them ever since.

This all happened after 8 years of excellent performance reviews and double digit sales increases at my store.

Now shall I start with the female assistant managers (yes plural) that where taken to a hotel room and plowed by another district manager and a sales manager. After several rounds of alcoholic beverages of course. And more than once and not the same female managers. In fact, one of those assistant store managers got pregnant and the District manager married her.

And even more than that but i'm getting bored.
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Old 01-17-2020, 05:42 PM   #27
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where do I start.....from the substandard products that they are well aware they are gouging people for...
the unbelievable way they treat their long term "excellent" employees..
ongoing and never ending nepotism...
Hiring employees as "favors" to friends and political figures....
barely controlled sexism....
and on, and on.
For 10 years I was "Mr. Sherwin Williams. Worked hard, got excellent performance reviews....saw many, many great employees get ****ed over for no good reasons.
Then it happened to me. Completely out of the blue I got screwed out of what I had been told for many years was my next position (with a fairly large increase in pay btw.) by a district manager who hired his college room mate to take that position. Even though that person had no paint store experience prior to the 18 months he worked in a retail store. He even attempted to not pay me a salary increase he had been sitting on for 8 months until I mentioned it was a legal issue not to do so. This district manager hired his college roommate for a position he was not even close to being qualified for without ever posting the position as "open" so anyone else (me) could apply for it.(a serious company policy violation)
I was offered a lateral move from San Diego to Los Angeles at the time but had conveniently found a job with Duron paint while I was on vacation. So I gave notice and moved back to Ohio. And I've said **** them ever since.

This all happened after 8 years of excellent performance reviews and double digit sales increases at my store.

Now shall I start with the female assistant managers (yes plural) that where taken to a hotel room and plowed by another district manager and a sales manager. After several rounds of alcoholic beverages of course. And more than once and not the same female managers. In fact, one of those assistant store managers got pregnant and the District manager married her.

And even more than that but i'm getting bored.
PAC, from what you share it seems lots of the employees got screwed.
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Did they name the kid Sherwin ?
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They whacked Frazee, Old Quaker and Decrotrend, Word has it they broke the Dutch boys legs. Don't mess with SW
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So Pac what are you doing now?
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where do I start.....from the substandard products that they are well aware they are gouging people for...

the unbelievable way they treat their long term "excellent" employees..

ongoing and never ending nepotism...

Hiring employees as "favors" to friends and political figures....

barely controlled sexism....

and on, and on.

For 10 years I was "Mr. Sherwin Williams. Worked hard, got excellent performance reviews....saw many, many great employees get ****ed over for no good reasons.

Then it happened to me. Completely out of the blue I got screwed out of what I had been told for many years was my next position (with a fairly large increase in pay btw.) by a district manager who hired his college room mate to take that position. Even though that person had no paint store experience prior to the 18 months he worked in a retail store. He even attempted to not pay me a salary increase he had been sitting on for 8 months until I mentioned it was a legal issue not to do so. This district manager hired his college roommate for a position he was not even close to being qualified for without ever posting the position as "open" so anyone else (me) could apply for it.(a serious company policy violation)

I was offered a lateral move from San Diego to Los Angeles at the time but had conveniently found a job with Duron paint while I was on vacation. So I gave notice and moved back to Ohio. And I've said **** them ever since.



This all happened after 8 years of excellent performance reviews and double digit sales increases at my store.



Now shall I start with the female assistant managers (yes plural) that where taken to a hotel room and plowed by another district manager and a sales manager. After several rounds of alcoholic beverages of course. And more than once and not the same female managers. In fact, one of those assistant store managers got pregnant and the District manager married her.



And even more than that but i'm getting bored.


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So Pac what are you doing now?
Just lurking in the shadows like an embittered ex-mistress, eager to pounce on anyone who dares mention the name of his ex-love, always prepared to make it known how wrong we all are for not using a paint he carried which very few of us ever had access to, and warning us of the impending doom which will result from our decisions to favor convenience over the "little engine that could".
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I too saw the promar ceiling yesterday and want to try it. I normally use promar 200 for my ceilings and superpaint for walls. My good friend is the regional manager and she tells me her honest opinion on what she thinks is good and what is not worth it. My local store people are amazing and seem to be honest as well. I don't paint everyday but yet they still know me by name every time come in the store.

They have told me that the satin sheen is not a true satin but not exactly a true eggshell either. That is what I use a lot. I don't really use any of the commercial grade stuff.
I've used the promar 200 ceiling paint and it worked well for me. Covers much better than 200 white.
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Im a de guy. SW has good xovers but I've found sw's weakest link is the delivery service. 5g min here, and if the schedule is full you might not even get it. The super paint line is good, though I'm pretty sure only comes in 3 sheens, flat, satin, and semi. Duration is good but overpriced. I will say some of their industrial coatings are pretty incredible. Armorshield and Polane systems are top notch for epoxies. One thing they seem to have over the competition are primary bases. Mostly special order but good for fade prone colors.
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Im a de guy. SW has good xovers but I've found sw's weakest link is the delivery service. 5g min here, and if the schedule is full you might not even get it. The super paint line is good, though I'm pretty sure only comes in 3 sheens, flat, satin, and semi. Duration is good but overpriced. I will say some of their industrial coatings are pretty incredible. Armorshield and Polane systems are top notch for epoxies. One thing they seem to have over the competition are primary bases. Mostly special order but good for fade prone colors.
Superpaint comes in velvet which is an eggshell, that's what I use the most.

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Just lurking in the shadows like an embittered ex-mistress, eager to pounce on anyone who dares mention the name of his ex-love, always prepared to make it known how wrong we all are for not using a paint he carried which very few of us ever had access to, and warning us of the impending doom which will result from our decisions to favor convenience over the "little engine that could".
that's what forums are for aren't they?
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They whacked Frazee, Old Quaker and Decrotrend, Word has it they broke the Dutch boys legs. Don't mess with SW
Duron, Valspar, over 300 other paint companies. In fact there never was a "core" company called Sherwin Williams. Just a continuous list of buyouts and take-overs stretching back to 1866. Just like all the great monopolies.
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Duron, Valspar, over 300 other paint companies. In fact there never was a "core" company called Sherwin Williams. Just a continuous list of buyouts and take-overs stretching back to 1866. Just like all the great monopolies.
Except they are not a monopoly, just a large paint company.

And are you saying there was never a company called Sherwin Williams which was a stand alone corporation?
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Except they are not a monopoly, just a large paint company.

A large paint company that employes monopolistic and anti-competitive pricing strategies to put competitors out of business. As in they will put a store in your town, give away product for free and once the local competition goes out of business employees get a bonus then they raise prices.
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